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SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: themadhippy on March 22, 2021, 02:13:22 pm ---
--- Quote ---It's actually illegal to not declare illegally gained earnings to the IRS.
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But if your only income is from illegal activities how can the tax man get paid,as the only money you have is raised from illegal activities ,so the tax man would also be benefiting from illegal activities

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Unlike the rest of us, the tax man is allowed to f*k anyone and anything, at any time!  :D

David Hess:

--- Quote from: Stray Electron on March 22, 2021, 03:22:03 am ---Yeah, so could drug dealers.  Do you want to make a bet as to how of them report their income to the IRS?
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Most do not but they are small time compared to the ones which do.  While illegal income counts as taxable income, there is no requirement to identify that the income is illegal when filing for taxes.  It has to be this way because of the 5th amendment which protects against self incrimination.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haynes_v._United_States

james_s:

--- Quote from: Stray Electron on March 20, 2021, 03:22:42 am ---
--- Quote from: thm_w on March 19, 2021, 09:10:02 pm ---The video is great, but the solution is not going to be awareness.
The telephone system needs a complete overhaul, caller ID is meaningless. Or at the very least some small fee to route calls. Just high enough to discourage scammers from making 500,000 robo calls.

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  I disagree, well in part. More than just those actions, the Federal and State authorities need to start treating these scams like any other mafia style organized crime and bust them under the RICO Act, and also starting charging everyone involved with Federal income tax evasion like they did with Al Capone. Al was sentenced to 11 years in Federal prison in 1931 solely for Income Tax Evasion. The first time that a mule got put into Federal Prison for 10+ years it would send a loud and clear message to everyone else in these rackets. Since they're making calls internationally and interstate and the mules are traveling state to state to pick up packages, the Feds would have clear jurisdiction. Wire fraud, banking fraud, money laundering, postal fraud and other Federal charges would also be applicable.

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How about we do all these things? No single one of them is going to fix the problem. Caller ID should need to be authenticated to an individual or corporation's true ID, and it should be trivial to block all non-authenticated calls so they don't even ring the phone or go to voicemail. At the same time we could aggressively go after scammers legally.

thm_w:

--- Quote from: daqq on March 19, 2021, 09:56:27 pm ---Yes, an overhaul of the phone and email system might help, but what needs to be mostly overhauled is peoples mentality.

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You aren't going to change 80yr old granny's mentality, their brain is just too old. Its hard enough changing opinions of 30-50 year olds as it is.


--- Quote from: Stray Electron on March 20, 2021, 03:22:42 am ---  I disagree, well in part. More than just those actions, the Federal and State authorities need to start treating these scams like any other mafia style organized crime and bust them under the RICO Act, and also starting charging everyone involved with Federal income tax evasion like they did with Al Capone. Al was sentenced to 11 years in Federal prison in 1931 solely for Income Tax Evasion. The first time that a mule got put into Federal Prison for 10+ years it would send a loud and clear message to everyone else in these rackets. Since they're making calls internationally and interstate and the mules are traveling state to state to pick up packages, the Feds would have clear jurisdiction. Wire fraud, banking fraud, money laundering, postal fraud and other Federal charges would also be applicable.

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Putting someone in federal prison for 10yrs over making $100 is wild. IF they were the ones orchestrating the entire scam, and kept the full $10k+, sure, but they are not. You'll find an endless stream of mules willing to do this kind of work, nothing will happen targeting those kind of people.

I struggle to see how its not exactly the same as targeting low level drug users or dealers. Which seems to be a waste of money to me: "47% of federal prisoners serving time in September 2016 (the most recent date for which data are available) were convicted of a drug offense.". https://d14rmgtrwzf5a.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/drugfacts_nationtrends_6_15.pdf

SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: thm_w on March 22, 2021, 09:25:49 pm ---
--- Quote from: daqq on March 19, 2021, 09:56:27 pm ---Yes, an overhaul of the phone and email system might help, but what needs to be mostly overhauled is peoples mentality.

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You aren't going to change 80yr old granny's mentality, their brain is just too old. Its hard enough changing opinions of 30-50 year olds as it is.


--- Quote from: Stray Electron on March 20, 2021, 03:22:42 am ---  I disagree, well in part. More than just those actions, the Federal and State authorities need to start treating these scams like any other mafia style organized crime and bust them under the RICO Act, and also starting charging everyone involved with Federal income tax evasion like they did with Al Capone. Al was sentenced to 11 years in Federal prison in 1931 solely for Income Tax Evasion. The first time that a mule got put into Federal Prison for 10+ years it would send a loud and clear message to everyone else in these rackets. Since they're making calls internationally and interstate and the mules are traveling state to state to pick up packages, the Feds would have clear jurisdiction. Wire fraud, banking fraud, money laundering, postal fraud and other Federal charges would also be applicable.

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Putting someone in federal prison for 10yrs over making $100 is wild. IF they were the ones orchestrating the entire scam, and kept the full $10k+, sure, but they are not. You'll find an endless stream of mules willing to do this kind of work, nothing will happen targeting those kind of people.

I struggle to see how its not exactly the same as targeting low level drug users or dealers. Which seems to be a waste of money to me: "47% of federal prisoners serving time in September 2016 (the most recent date for which data are available) were convicted of a drug offense.". https://d14rmgtrwzf5a.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/drugfacts_nationtrends_6_15.pdf

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So what are you going to do...  just let them run loose to sell drugs to your kids?   I can see legalising some drugs is a partial solution (with its own set of problems), but how do you legalise scamming?

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