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| coppice:
--- Quote from: tautech on February 19, 2020, 10:28:57 am ---Over here Toyota are well known for bringing in the base/basic models of a new series and dribbling onto the market over the next few years better models when the home Jap market has already had the top models for years ! :rant: --- End quote --- They offer what sells well in each market. No car maker offers all its options in every market. This can be frustrating if you are one of the outlier customers who wants an option that isn't offered locally, but its no different than buying clothes when you a physical outlier. It sucks, but its understandable. |
| Someone:
--- Quote from: coppice on February 19, 2020, 12:57:32 pm --- --- Quote from: tautech on February 19, 2020, 10:28:57 am ---Over here Toyota are well known for bringing in the base/basic models of a new series and dribbling onto the market over the next few years better models when the home Jap market has already had the top models for years ! :rant: --- End quote --- They offer what sells well in each market. No car maker offers all its options in every market. This can be frustrating if you are one of the outlier customers who wants an option that isn't offered locally, but its no different than buying clothes when you a physical outlier. It sucks, but its understandable. --- End quote --- To be fair that should be: "They offer what they think will sell well in each market" Holden stood firm in their misguided belief that Australians wanted V8 sedans and utes. Being both small markets and geographically distant Australians and New Zealanders have been offered weird mixes of models from manufacturers. Aside from engines and trim levels body shapes are also artificially constrained, such as wagon (estate) bodies at 3% of used cars compared to 7% in the UK. Demand is so high for wagons that they carry a significant price premium. And then the import/registration restrictions preventing people bringing over the models they want. |
| Ed.Kloonk:
--- Quote from: Someone on February 19, 2020, 09:25:32 pm --- Holden stood firm in their misguided belief that Australians wanted V8 sedans and utes. --- End quote --- Primary producer tax write-off. Was a scam for years and everyone was cheating so the tax office tightened the scrutiny. |
| tautech:
--- Quote from: Someone on February 19, 2020, 09:25:32 pm --- --- Quote from: coppice on February 19, 2020, 12:57:32 pm --- --- Quote from: tautech on February 19, 2020, 10:28:57 am ---Over here Toyota are well known for bringing in the base/basic models of a new series and dribbling onto the market over the next few years better models when the home Jap market has already had the top models for years ! :rant: --- End quote --- They offer what sells well in each market. No car maker offers all its options in every market. This can be frustrating if you are one of the outlier customers who wants an option that isn't offered locally, but its no different than buying clothes when you a physical outlier. It sucks, but its understandable. --- End quote --- To be fair that should be: "They offer what they think will sell well in each market" Holden stood firm in their misguided belief that Australians wanted V8 sedans and utes. Being both small markets and geographically distant Australians and New Zealanders have been offered weird mixes of models from manufacturers. Aside from engines and trim levels body shapes are also artificially constrained, such as wagon (estate) bodies at 3% of used cars compared to 7% in the UK. Demand is so high for wagons that they carry a significant price premium. And then the import/registration restrictions preventing people bringing over the models they want. --- End quote --- Engine and transmission options is how they micromanage the market. Bring base models in one year then a bit more powerful motor the next then follow with turbos and transmission options. Multiple sales to customers are the result from ongoing bites of profit from the buyers purse. It's only when you see what's offered in other markets is when you become aware of these low life marketplace practices. :-- |
| vk6zgo:
--- Quote from: I wanted a rude username on February 19, 2020, 04:01:08 am ---The Commodore was exported to the UK too (no conversion required but a limited market due to fuel costs and road salting), and some Middle Eastern states. Not sure if the quantities were ever large enough to justify it. --- End quote --- I doubt that Holdens would have had a harder time with salt than Brit cars-------at least, back in the day. I saw Pommy cars on the road there which were so rusted out, they would have been compulsorily put off the road in Oz.! Holden did well in the Middle East back in the 1970s, & the "Chev Kommando" or something like that in South Africa was the previous year's Holden. Of course, anti-Apartheid sanctions killed the ZA market. They also sent a few Statesman bodies complete with every thing but the engines to Mazda in Japan, who put twin rotor Wankel engines in them.(One of those things car makers do when they are stuck without a model for a particular niche.) Ford also sold Fairmonts & XA GTs in small numbers in the UK, as well as Chrysler with Valiant VIPs to try to fill the niche vacated by the Humber Hawk & Super Snipe. Back in the '70s I also saw quite a number of privately imported Holdens in the UK, maybe brought home by Brits who had worked in Oz or NZ, or more likely the Middle East, & they were not "rust buckets". It was a weird sensation to look out of the train window & see a HD Holden wagon sitting at the lights, all decked out with sun visor, etc. Such were so familiar at home it looked normal, till I remembered where I was. GM imported late '50s & early '60s Opels into the USA, which were quite dire, compared to the equivalent Holden. The tighter the grip of Detroit became, the less chance Australian subsiduaries had of achieving export success. --- Quote --- However, development was simplified because Holden was using a common platform, which GM had designed from the ground up to be international. It's that cost which GM presumably expects to save on new designs. The sad part is, it's probably not a large proportion of the platform's cost, and increases the barrier to entry to growing markets like India. --- End quote --- |
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