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| vk6zgo:
--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on February 22, 2020, 02:09:49 pm --- --- Quote from: vk6zgo on February 22, 2020, 02:02:31 pm --- --- Quote from: nctnico on February 22, 2020, 01:24:20 pm ---You should breed more people! There just isn't enough people (and thus cars) to keep stock of every part. When I visited New Zealand the people where complaining about the same. Because the market is so small it is hard to buy equipment and parts at sane prices with short delivery times. --- End quote --- Our population is a lot larger than that of NZ. Australia has 25 million inhabitants, driving 19.2'million cars compared to about 4.8 million, driving about 4 million cars. Back in the day, when we had less people, you could walk into a car parts place & pretty much walk out with any part made by that company. No, this is a thing which has developed over the years, where it supposedly is cheaper to do everything in the Eastern States. It certainly isn't cheaper for their customers in other State capitals! We haven't got as bad as the UK back in 1971 though, where the Southhampton Ford agent had to get a part from London. It took a week to travel 70miles!! --- End quote --- John Canogan, the youtube host in the vid in my OP of this thread put out a video yesterday where he told the story of meeting a senior boss at Hyundai in Korea. John asked him why they cannot put a factory in Australia. The guy, to his credit, politely explained to John that a factory of any sort needs to pump out 300k cars. To break even. Hm. --- End quote --- Back in 1963/64, Holden made just under 260,000 EH models. From 1971 to late '74. they made 485,000 HQ models. The HJ, Hx & HZ were pretty much facelifts, so,the total for that body style would be quite a bit greater. Many of those "crappy" Holdens are still around. What offers on how many Hyundais will still be around in 56 or 46 years? How about in 20 years?, 10 years? |
| Ed.Kloonk:
--- Quote from: vk6zgo on February 22, 2020, 02:49:36 pm --- --- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on February 22, 2020, 02:09:49 pm --- --- Quote from: vk6zgo on February 22, 2020, 02:02:31 pm --- --- Quote from: nctnico on February 22, 2020, 01:24:20 pm ---You should breed more people! There just isn't enough people (and thus cars) to keep stock of every part. When I visited New Zealand the people where complaining about the same. Because the market is so small it is hard to buy equipment and parts at sane prices with short delivery times. --- End quote --- Our population is a lot larger than that of NZ. Australia has 25 million inhabitants, driving 19.2'million cars compared to about 4.8 million, driving about 4 million cars. Back in the day, when we had less people, you could walk into a car parts place & pretty much walk out with any part made by that company. No, this is a thing which has developed over the years, where it supposedly is cheaper to do everything in the Eastern States. It certainly isn't cheaper for their customers in other State capitals! We haven't got as bad as the UK back in 1971 though, where the Southhampton Ford agent had to get a part from London. It took a week to travel 70miles!! --- End quote --- John Canogan, the youtube host in the vid in my OP of this thread put out a video yesterday where he told the story of meeting a senior boss at Hyundai in Korea. John asked him why they cannot put a factory in Australia. The guy, to his credit, politely explained to John that a factory of any sort needs to pump out 300k cars. To break even. Hm. --- End quote --- Back in 1963/64, Holden made just under 260,000 EH models. From 1971 to late '74. they made 485,000 HQ models. The HJ, Hx & HZ were pretty much facelifts, so,the total for that body style would be quite a bit greater. Many of those "crappy" Holdens are still around. What offers on how many Hyundais will still be around in 56 or 46 years? How about in 20 years?, 10 years? --- End quote --- There is nothing on the HQ I can't fix. The newer cars, with all their modules. Yeah nar. |
| vk6zgo:
--- Quote from: nctnico on February 22, 2020, 02:11:10 pm --- --- Quote from: vk6zgo on February 22, 2020, 02:02:31 pm --- --- Quote from: nctnico on February 22, 2020, 01:24:20 pm ---You should breed more people! There just isn't enough people (and thus cars) to keep stock of every part. When I visited New Zealand the people where complaining about the same. Because the market is so small it is hard to buy equipment and parts at sane prices with short delivery times. --- End quote --- Our population is a lot larger than that of NZ. Australia has 25 million inhabitants, driving 19.2'million cars compared to about 4.8 million, driving about 4 million cars. Back in the day, when we had less people, you could walk into a car parts place & pretty much walk out with any part made by that company. --- End quote --- Back then the cost of the materials to make the part was relatively higher compared to handling it. But wages went up and material & fabrication costs went down. Even over here this is very visible. If I go to a car parts shop which has everything in stock I pay 2 to 3 times more compared to ordering the part from Germany (including the shipping costs!) --- End quote --- If I could have walked out with the part, I would have probably have bought it & gone on with my life. As it happened, they wanted to screw me over for the price, & make me wait a week! The Chinese unit looked identical to the Toyota one, so the nasty suspicion arises that they are all made in the same factory in China, with some going out as generic brands, & others in Toyota boxes as "genuine"replacements. |
| Ed.Kloonk:
I've seen some pretty fancy fake genuine parts. Headlight assemblies etc. It's bloody hard to tell. The giveaways just silly little bits of plastic hanging off corners or joints. The incentive is that it's worth doing a good copy because the dealer charges so much for the brand part. |
| coppice:
--- Quote from: vk6zgo on February 22, 2020, 02:58:39 pm ---The Chinese unit looked identical to the Toyota one, so the nasty suspicion arises that they are all made in the same factory in China, with some going out as generic brands, & others in Toyota boxes as "genuine"replacements. --- End quote --- There are a lot of soft tooling systems in China, suitable for taking a moulded part, making a soft tool from it, and making a few hundred to a few thousand copies before the soft tool degrades badly. They can have parts in your hand very quickly. The usual way you can tell the part has been cloned is by looking for the information moulded into the part. The soft tools don't always follow the finely detailed fonts all that well, and the writing looks "soft". This is a very flexible solution. If the car maker's stock of parts for an old model run out you just need one pristine copy of the part, and the supply issue is gone within days. |
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