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Re: Gnu/Linux Considered Harmful
« Reply #300 on: November 29, 2018, 03:18:19 pm »
I work with a lot of young developers and startups. Idiocracy is here already. Big time. I’m usually the guy who has to dig them out of the shit.
You get to do that? You need to tell me how you got there.  Me, I get told that the shit is just warm and fiiine, come on in and stop complaining.

I know I overshare and am overly direct and lack the charisma needed to convince nontechnical people, though.  You certainly have much better people skills than I do.

On top of that a lot of software companies are MBA driven and the engineering side is seen as a cost centre rather than the core of the business.
Here in Finland, about one third of large IT projects actually complete; the rest just fail, producing nothing usable.  This is seen as perfectly normal and understandable; no CYA needed.

Then I realised that wasn’t their goal. So now I concentrate on extracting as much money from them as possible because the less they have the less they can hurt people.
I realized that when I was 25, having run a small IT company with my eldest brother for a couple of years.  I was too naive, and thought if I was even more better and effective and honest, my clients would appreciate it, and things might change.  I was utterly wrong, of course, and broke myself mentally from doing so.  The costliest mistake I ever made for sure.

As for poverty, I think they redefined the line. I take my kids to school with people on food bank handouts.
Could be.. but people no longer starve because of natural resource shortages; they only starve if they live in a country or region controlled by dictators (warlords, socialists, or communists). Children do now have the opportunities people did not have in the past, globally.

Now I have no problem with immigration for sure but the reason it works is that the immigrants and outsourcers get paid less. They shouldn’t.
Do not get me started on ethnic replacement projects, that rant is not nice.  It is definitely going on here, at least.  I personally no longer have access to professionals to help me untwist my mind so I can do real work again, because those services seem to be focused to "paperless" now.  Because of my past, I cannot bring myself to borrow enough money to do it on my own; that kind of risk would be too much for me to mentally handle: self-defeating from the get go.  Anyway, I don't want a monoculture, and I don't want to see any single culture vanish, including my own.  I do want to change many facets of many cultures, though, because I can see the damage they cause to everyone.  Because I do not give a shit about protecting groups and insist on dealing with individuals on an individual basis, judging them solely based on their behaviour, I constantly risk being labeled a racist, and being excluded from participation and employment.

A couple of decades ago, I remember talking to a professor about patents in a poster session.  (I had almost applied for a basically software one the year before, related to online editing of web pages, and the underlying mechanisms for doing so [that are not used even today, funnily enough].) I  had observed to the professor that majority of patents are used to block competing products from becoming available, rather than protecting available products from being copied.  (Not just in physics, but also in engineering.  Crankshaft patent delayed automobiles for twenty years, for example.  Without certain basically unused additive manufacturing patents, we could have had 3D printers in late eighties.)  Because of that, I dislike the current patent system, and would like to see it replaced with something that protects products incorporating the patents instead: a scheme of "use it or lose it", if you will.  A student indignantly called me a communist, and said they had "the right to profit from their ideas".  I think I sprained my brain somehow observing the situation, being a CEO of my own small company, being labeled a communist, by an ostensibly sharp and intelligent student, wearing a Che Guevara shirt (figuratively speaking; no tuition fees in Universities in Finland), claiming that the society owes them money and resources, because she has "ideas".

A few years ago, I was still hoping I could get employed in my University, developing a new molecular dynamics simulator (that has a core design that can actually utilize the hardware we have now, with a number of different potential models and simulation regimes, both parallelized and distributed, separating the bits scientists want to fiddle with (the potential models) into units that let them do so without compromising the efficiency of the simulation, easily).  Materials science needs good, reliable, valid simulators.  Unfortunately, even the HPC stuff seems to be under high pressure to be outsourced to the cloud.  It seems it is cheaper to pay millions for service providers than pay a cheap undergrad/grad a salary to fix and develop the tools.  So now, I really don't have a plan anymore.

I am not kidding when I say I would gladly take a one-way trip to Mars, if I got some equipment to do real exploration and analysis there for a year or two before perishing.
 
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Re: Gnu/Linux Considered Harmful
« Reply #301 on: November 29, 2018, 04:01:58 pm »
I work with a lot of young developers and startups. Idiocracy is here already. Big time. I’m usually the guy who has to dig them out of the shit.
You get to do that? You need to tell me how you got there.  Me, I get told that the shit is just warm and fiiine, come on in and stop complaining.

I know I overshare and am overly direct and lack the charisma needed to convince nontechnical people, though.  You certainly have much better people skills than I do.

My people skills are intentionally terrible. I seem to have got a reputation for taking on the things people run a mile from and making them slightly less worse and that's about it. For this they have to put up with me which is a fair trade :)

On top of that a lot of software companies are MBA driven and the engineering side is seen as a cost centre rather than the core of the business.
Here in Finland, about one third of large IT projects actually complete; the rest just fail, producing nothing usable.  This is seen as perfectly normal and understandable; no CYA needed.

That's probably a good thing. We have a clear divide in the UK. Public sector (government) projects always fall on their ass after the consultants have spent a couple of billion on it. They then either slither back to the big consultancies they slithered out of. Anyone who isn't one of the big consultancies is 100% unemployable afterwards other than in the public sector. Private sector fails silently usually with the company being eaten by a bigger fish and wrapped in marketing so you can't lose even if it goes totally wrong.

Then I realised that wasn’t their goal. So now I concentrate on extracting as much money from them as possible because the less they have the less they can hurt people.
I realized that when I was 25, having run a small IT company with my eldest brother for a couple of years.  I was too naive, and thought if I was even more better and effective and honest, my clients would appreciate it, and things might change.  I was utterly wrong, of course, and broke myself mentally from doing so.  The costliest mistake I ever made for sure.

Yeah similar situation here. I started at a small three man outfit in 2002. Day one the other two engineers quit and left me in deep shit. I figured that if worked hard I might get somewhere. Nope. Clients were assholes, suppliers were assholes. It was just puckered rings everywhere. Eventually the MD had a nervous breakdown and called me up one afternoon after he drank a bottle of vodka, gave me a mouth full of shit over losing a client who we were losing money on anyway so I said fuck it, quit and went to work back at a company in the city who basically buggered people for half baked ecommerce solutions. Gah. I went contract after that, mainly because I can't stand working with people for more than about 6 months.

As for poverty, I think they redefined the line. I take my kids to school with people on food bank handouts.
Could be.. but people no longer starve because of natural resource shortages; they only starve if they live in a country or region controlled by dictators (warlords, socialists, or communists). Children do now have the opportunities people did not have in the past, globally.

Fair points there. We have a weird mix of socialism and capitalism here. It doesn't work. Basically everyone suffers. You get punished for winning or losing. The best thing to do is play the subgenius position:



Now I have no problem with immigration for sure but the reason it works is that the immigrants and outsourcers get paid less. They shouldn’t.
Do not get me started on ethnic replacement projects, that rant is not nice.  It is definitely going on here, at least.  I personally no longer have access to professionals to help me untwist my mind so I can do real work again, because those services seem to be focused to "paperless" now.  Because of my past, I cannot bring myself to borrow enough money to do it on my own; that kind of risk would be too much for me to mentally handle: self-defeating from the get go.  Anyway, I don't want a monoculture, and I don't want to see any single culture vanish, including my own.  I do want to change many facets of many cultures, though, because I can see the damage they cause to everyone.  Because I do not give a shit about protecting groups and insist on dealing with individuals on an individual basis, judging them solely based on their behaviour, I constantly risk being labeled a racist, and being excluded from participation and employment.

Yes I know that one. Been there. I got in trouble with an HR team for discrimination after I forced them to fire a West Indian guy. They branded me as racist because the person who was fired complained I had a problem with them and pulled the race card. They sat me down and gave me a big presentation on racial equality and how I was handling it inappropriately. The guy was a slacker. He did nothing other than break shit he touched and cost the company a fortune. I don't care if he was green or purple.

The irony? At the time I was dating a West Indian girl :palm:. This irony was lost on the HR team.

I don't have a problem with cultures disappearing myself. As long as what they are replaced with is better. Now we have ubiquitous communications worldwide, give it a couple of generations and we will have a similar culture and separate heritage. My kids already have no cultural boundaries - everyone gets on with everyone. They don't care any more. Shitty memes are more important.

A couple of decades ago, I remember talking to a professor about patents in a poster session.  (I had almost applied for a basically software one the year before, related to online editing of web pages, and the underlying mechanisms for doing so [that are not used even today, funnily enough].) I  had observed to the professor that majority of patents are used to block competing products from becoming available, rather than protecting available products from being copied.  (Not just in physics, but also in engineering.  Crankshaft patent delayed automobiles for twenty years, for example.  Without certain basically unused additive manufacturing patents, we could have had 3D printers in late eighties.)  Because of that, I dislike the current patent system, and would like to see it replaced with something that protects products incorporating the patents instead: a scheme of "use it or lose it", if you will.  A student indignantly called me a communist, and said they had "the right to profit from their ideas".  I think I sprained my brain somehow observing the situation, being a CEO of my own small company, being labeled a communist, by an ostensibly sharp and intelligent student, wearing a Che Guevara shirt (figuratively speaking; no tuition fees in Universities in Finland), claiming that the society owes them money and resources, because she has "ideas".

Hahaha I know the types. Some patentist karma for you: I know someone who had an idea in the early 1950s and got a patent on specific PCB mounting method. Then spent 40 years trying to enforce this patent which was so loosely defined it was ambiguous and damn obvious. Not worthy of patent. No product came of it, no unique thought, no design effort. Just an idea. He spent his entire life's savings defending this patent, lost his house, his savings, his car, his wife and his kids. The guy now lives in a social care home in his 80's, still trying to find a solicitor who will take on this idea and sue Dell, HP etc who stole his idea.

At least you guys have free university. We don't any more. My eldest is going to apply next year so I've got to foot the bill for that. She's wants to do  molecular biochemistry which is going to cost a small fortune.

A few years ago, I was still hoping I could get employed in my University, developing a new molecular dynamics simulator (that has a core design that can actually utilize the hardware we have now, with a number of different potential models and simulation regimes, both parallelized and distributed, separating the bits scientists want to fiddle with (the potential models) into units that let them do so without compromising the efficiency of the simulation, easily).  Materials science needs good, reliable, valid simulators.  Unfortunately, even the HPC stuff seems to be under high pressure to be outsourced to the cloud.  It seems it is cheaper to pay millions for service providers than pay a cheap undergrad/grad a salary to fix and develop the tools.  So now, I really don't have a plan anymore.

It's the whole "someone else's liability" game the outsourcing. Capital expenditure is high if they have a salary as they can't pull the plug usually on the whole thing. Not that you get paid much even at high end grad salaries.

I'd bail out. Commercial orgs have a lot of cash to burn on this sort of stuff. Finding a niche is hard though.

I am not kidding when I say I would gladly take a one-way trip to Mars, if I got some equipment to do real exploration and analysis there for a year or two before perishing.

That's what Musk is up to I reckon. Everything he is doing is so he can go to Mars and get away from this damn planet.  :-DD

 
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Re: Gnu/Linux Considered Harmful
« Reply #302 on: November 29, 2018, 06:07:42 pm »
At least you guys have free university. We don't any more. My eldest is going to apply next year so I've got to foot the bill for that. She's wants to do  molecular biochemistry which is going to cost a small fortune.
Can't she learn German? Make use of those EU bennies while they last.
 

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Re: Gnu/Linux Considered Harmful
« Reply #303 on: November 29, 2018, 07:40:40 pm »
That has been considered actually. We all looked at moving into Europe but it’s too much to move 5 people.
 

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Re: Gnu/Linux Considered Harmful
« Reply #304 on: November 29, 2018, 10:47:27 pm »
That has been considered actually. We all looked at moving into Europe but it’s too much to move 5 people.
Or come to Spain ;)
 

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Re: Gnu/Linux Considered Harmful
« Reply #305 on: November 29, 2018, 11:56:55 pm »
It’s too hot and I don’t like Paella ;)

I was thinking a cold and dark bit of Europe. Not too far towards the east though. Soviet dark is wrong kind of dark  :-DD
 

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Re: Gnu/Linux Considered Harmful
« Reply #306 on: November 30, 2018, 12:15:00 am »
I think it would be best to leave politics out.  While I mostly agree with what's been said, it has wandered into forbidden territory.  And as guests in Dave's forum we should comply with the rules.
 

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Re: Gnu/Linux Considered Harmful
« Reply #307 on: November 30, 2018, 01:08:27 am »
Fair point indeed.
 

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Re: Gnu/Linux Considered Harmful
« Reply #308 on: November 30, 2018, 07:10:39 am »
It’s too hot and I don’t like Paella ;)
Txipirones en su tinta? ;)
 

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Re: Gnu/Linux Considered Harmful
« Reply #309 on: November 30, 2018, 07:51:28 am »
Yuck!  :-DD ... I like a grilled botifarra :)

To be honest it’s mostly because about 20 years ago I ended up in hospital for a week after eating seafood. Probably fine just can’t get over the hill of eating it again.
 

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Re: Gnu/Linux Considered Harmful
« Reply #310 on: December 02, 2018, 05:03:24 pm »
On top of that a lot of software companies are MBA driven and the engineering side is seen as a cost centre rather than the core of the business.

This is the problem in a nutshell; the MBA is not the disease, it is a symptom of the disease. It was developed so your high-school football star could get a degree to lord over people who actually know their assholes from their elbows; it is essentially a degree in making numbers lie and the current buzzwords for the same old dozen or so bullshit mathematical constructs that big business has used for over a century to prop up their position at the top of the food chain, only with different names that change every 10-20 years. It has NOTHING to do with teaching you ANYTHING useful; it is ALL about teaching you to lie through your teeth with a comforting smile so you fit into the current mold for executive business, and removing any shred of humanity that would make you think twice about those executive decisions.

I actually TRIED to go that route the last time I went to Uni; I got through 3 semesters before I realized all of the above was really ALL the degree was about, not just the first few dozen classes. The MBA isn't about teaching anything; it's a litmus test for sociopaths to find similarly sociopathic coworkers.

Then I made the wise choice  ::) and switched over to a Network Admin degree, purely because that was where I could get the most out of the cores I'd already taken. See how well that worked out for me.  :palm: I couldn't afford to finish the degree, so I'm 50+ and still paying of those loans with 70% of a degree that is now a glut on the market.  |O

That has been considered actually. We all looked at moving into Europe but it’s too much to move 5 people.
Or come to Spain ;)

When I moved south from New York via Florida to join my wife here in Tejas, I thought that the one good thing that would come of it was summed up in the phrase "Nobody ever died of a heart attack shoveling the sunshine."  Almost 20 years later, I've realized that you CAN die of a heart attack from doing the eternal doggie paddle in a sea of bullshit.  :scared:

Death by degrees is still suicide; This is why I've started the move back north to hopefully put as many miles as possible between myself and the prevailing culture of willful ignorance as possible. Texas has made an industry of cultivating "a special breed of stupid" which I have not seen anywhere else in all my travels; one that unfortunately has infected the entire leadership of this nation. As much as I'd love to move to Europe, the closest I can reasonably manage is Canada, so Toronto it is since we have family in New York and Toronto is currently booming in both my line of work and my wife's.

bd said earlier that his job was professional shit shoveler; that is a term that resonates well from my side of IT as well as an onsite ASP. I'm the guy they pay to fix/replace/make a connection to the borked hardware nobody on salary is willing (or smart enough) to touch. I HALO drop into a shitshow as the hands and eyes of some sysadmin or HellDesk agent, shovel the worst of the shit like crazy by the billable hour, and hope I survive until I make it to my extraction point and can limp my sorry broken old back home. Next morning... Lather, rinse, repeat.

It's really a hell of a way to make a living, but it's as close as I've been able to get to making a place for myself that doesn't require me to absolutely sell my soul to some sack of shit subsidiary of one of the oil companies that own this state.

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Re: Gnu/Linux Considered Harmful
« Reply #311 on: December 02, 2018, 05:13:20 pm »
Edit: this turned into a long rant the moment idiocracy was mentioned. Sorry.
(SNIP) 
Ugh it all sucks. 5 years of this shit left and I can retire (early) and write a book decrying the whole thing Dilbert-style.

With all seriousness; speaking as someone with considerable tech writing and editorial experience, you should. You have a well-develop and engaging writing style, use colorful language that is humorous without being too trite, and you can turn a phrase.

A lot of what I've seen you post is good core material; you should archive it as you post for later compilation and expansion.

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Re: Gnu/Linux Considered Harmful
« Reply #312 on: December 02, 2018, 05:31:11 pm »
You hear the good stuff. Most of it is seagull excrement ;)
 

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« Reply #313 on: December 02, 2018, 07:01:54 pm »
Point is that there IS some good stuff. The vast majority of million dollar authors have made their fortune publishing seagull excrement; you're already better than that lot, just as a byproduct of trying to keep your sanity. ;)

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Re: Gnu/Linux Considered Harmful
« Reply #314 on: December 03, 2018, 08:47:27 am »
My normal environment has been SunOS/Solaris/OpenIndiana for 26 years. I stick with it because it has a tradition of being very conservative about change.  The traditional Unix mindset.

little late to the party, but i just wanted to say that's funny...  seeing that OI is using xorg, pulseaudio and mate...  if they were conservative they would still be using CDE.  :-DD

edit: and while i'm here, SMF vs systemd is a crap comparison because they're both trying to be the same thing (with the exception of systemd absorbing various other functions like logging/cron/ntp/dhcp/blahblahblah)
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« Reply #315 on: December 03, 2018, 08:50:14 am »
Ooh another Poettering special glitter coloured turd.

I remember the trouble he had getting that working to start with and the blatant denials of any problems with it and they trusted him with systemd. I’d rather have cancer care from some drunken chimpanzees than that.
 

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Re: Gnu/Linux Considered Harmful
« Reply #316 on: December 03, 2018, 01:01:18 pm »
Are you sure? It's still not too late to go for option B; go stand in a busy intersection and drill screws through your feet...    :-DD

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Re: Gnu/Linux Considered Harmful
« Reply #317 on: December 03, 2018, 02:08:06 pm »
At least you guys have free university. We don't any more. My eldest is going to apply next year so I've got to foot the bill for that. She's wants to do  molecular biochemistry which is going to cost a small fortune.
Can't she learn German? Make use of those EU bennies while they last.
More and more universities in Europe are offering programs fully in English. (Especially at masters and PhD levels, but some at bachelor’s level, too.) It’d be worth looking into...
 

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Re: Gnu/Linux Considered Harmful
« Reply #318 on: December 03, 2018, 06:06:09 pm »
Learning German to a  STEM academic conversational/writing level isn't that hard starting from English ... it's below high school level after all.
 

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« Reply #319 on: December 04, 2018, 02:19:54 pm »
Learning German to a  STEM academic conversational/writing level isn't that hard starting from English ... it's below high school level after all.
Umm... no. Absolutely not. You also need to be able to read academic writing, and that takes years to achieve with German, coming from English. German academic writing is very dense and difficult to parse. Basic German skills do not cut it.
 
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Re: Gnu/Linux Considered Harmful
« Reply #320 on: January 03, 2019, 08:51:58 am »
Learning German to a  STEM academic conversational/writing level isn't that hard starting from English ... it's below high school level after all.
Umm... no. Absolutely not. You also need to be able to read academic writing, and that takes years to achieve with German, coming from English. German academic writing is very dense and difficult to parse. Basic German skills do not cut it.

It is about as hard as parsing jvm excrement debug messages shoveled knee-deep through the festerer that is log4j. Back-references and corner cases in sentences longer than any sensible scrollback.

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Re: Gnu/Linux Considered Harmful
« Reply #321 on: January 03, 2019, 09:01:48 am »
That’s a pet hate of mine. Someone mailed me a stack trace the other day that was 42k of text  :--
 
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« Reply #322 on: January 03, 2019, 11:53:09 am »
That’s a pet hate of mine. Someone mailed me a stack trace the other day that was 42k of text  :--

And there is one row of "can't find a comma in file so and so"; the rest is just the jvm throwing its hands in the air and having a fit.

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« Reply #323 on: January 03, 2019, 12:10:12 pm »
In this case it was a null ref in a method which had about 3000 lines of code in it  :palm:

Reply to developer: fuck off and add some assertions!
 
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Re: Gnu/Linux Considered Harmful
« Reply #324 on: January 05, 2019, 01:29:24 am »
That’s a pet hate of mine. Someone mailed me a stack trace the other day that was 42k of text  :--

And there is one row of "can't find a comma in file so and so"; the rest is just the jvm throwing its hands in the air and having a fit.
Just like German, where, by the time you’ve reached the end of a sentence with a subordinate clause and the verb finally deigns to reveal itself, your brain’s registers have overflowed and lost the subject and/or object of the sentence, so you have to start over!  ;D
 
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