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Offline DavidDLC

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Good defragmenter
« on: December 06, 2013, 07:17:38 pm »
Guys, please recommend a good HDD defragmenter, I have used the Windows built-in only, but I'm pretty sure there are better freeware outthere.

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Re: Good defragmenter
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2013, 07:44:11 pm »
That's just fine for a regular HDD. Don't defrag SSDs as that does no good.
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Re: Good defragmenter
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2013, 07:51:22 pm »
NTFS file systems shouldn't really need defragmenting

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Re: Good defragmenter
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2013, 08:53:31 pm »
If that's a system drive, upgrade to SSD. If that's not a system drive - fragmentation shouldn't really matter much anyway.

Here's my subjectively  perceived drive performance:

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Re: Good defragmenter
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2013, 08:57:19 pm »
I prefer O&O Defrag, it's excellent (but shareware, 30 day trial available).

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Re: Good defragmenter
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2013, 09:36:56 pm »
I use auslogics disk defrag.

http://www.auslogics.com/en/software/disk-defrag/

The best one I know of. Another Australian product based in Sydney.
 

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Re: Good defragmenter
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2013, 09:43:12 pm »
I used Diskeeper back before I had SSDs.  (It's not free, though.) It made a pretty big difference on disks with a lot of file churn. 
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Re: Good defragmenter
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2013, 10:22:15 pm »
I really like MyDefrag (old name JkDefrag).

It has scenarios for system or data disks, different speed/quality ratios.
Visualizes processes within Win9x style. ;D
Can be set as screensaver.
Uses native Windows API, so it is safe to use.
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Re: Good defragmenter
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2013, 10:23:23 pm »
Diskeeper is the gold standard.


a cheapo way to defrag is by copying entire directories , deleting the original then renaming the 'copy of'.

quasi static data never gets fragmented. only files that at altered are being fragmented.
so any program file , etc never fragments. it;s ony user data that gets fragmented.

by making  copy a new file is created that most likely is going to be continuous in nature. then throw away the old fragmented files.
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Re: Good defragmenter
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2013, 10:27:59 pm »
It can only process files under a certain size,

Heres 1 vote to "MyDefrag" the monthly option really shows on older computers, and you can leave it on screen and kids can be distracted for hours.
 

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Re: Good defragmenter
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2013, 10:36:16 pm »
For W/Stations, I've always used TuneUp Utilities. An excellent set of tools.
For servers, I use Defraggler. It's NEVER had a glitch with W200, 2003 or 2008. Real nice code
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Re: Good defragmenter
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2013, 11:23:36 pm »
Defraggler works great here. First full defrag will take about a day.

They also produce CCleaner which on new systems removes an astouding amount of juunk and crap.
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Re: Good defragmenter
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2013, 11:56:17 pm »
Diskeeper is the gold standard.
I quit using it when I got aware the Scientology Church is involved with Diskeeper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condusiv_Technologies). The software works well but at some point you have to do what is right.
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Re: Good defragmenter
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2013, 03:01:37 am »
For W/Stations, I've always used TuneUp Utilities. An excellent set of tools.
For servers, I use Defraggler. It's NEVER had a glitch with W200, 2003 or 2008. Real nice code

Another one for Defraggler.
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Re: Good defragmenter
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2013, 01:54:52 pm »
Sysinternals has a very good registry defragmenter, which does a lot more than the disk one as it gets the registry heap into single contiguous files. Much better than anything else as the registry is the most used and written to and gets fragmented a lot. GIYF to find it.
 

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Re: Good defragmenter
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Re: Good defragmenter
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2013, 12:04:36 am »
I used to use Norton Disk Speed on W2K and XP, unfortunately it doesn't work on newer versions of windows, and they never made an updated version.  You could use it to map certain directories to certain portions of your drive...  What I used to do was set the boot files to the beginning, followed by system32, program files, the rest of the windows directory, documents and settings, and lastly your swap/hibernation files.  Used to make things pretty fast that way, compared to a default windows defrag.
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Re: Good defragmenter
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2013, 12:26:24 am »
I'm pretty sure Windows XP and later provide an API for this. Further, I believe that all modern defraggers simply use the API. Therefore, no benefit to changing. You might want certain stuff on the edge of the platters, but again, I'm pretty sure Windows tries to do this for you anyway.
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Re: Good defragmenter
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2013, 03:18:19 am »
I used to use Norton Disk Speed on W2K and XP, unfortunately it doesn't work on newer versions of windows, and they never made an updated version.  You could use it to map certain directories to certain portions of your drive...  What I used to do was set the boot files to the beginning, followed by system32, program files, the rest of the windows directory, documents and settings, and lastly your swap/hibernation files.  Used to make things pretty fast that way, compared to a default windows defrag.

You can do that in O&O Defrag I mentioned at the start of this thread.
 

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Re: Good defragmenter
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2013, 03:26:26 am »
I used DiskDefrag, took way longer time than the Windows defrag, I like that it has a graphic interface.

My computer started to get slow after the upgrade from Windows 8 to Windows 8.1, so I'm looking for methods to get it faster.

I usually buy the Windows OEM installer, that is what I did with Windows 8, format the HDD and install a fresh copy of the OS, I have been doing this for long time with excellent results. My problem is that the Windows 8.1 OED installer is not yet available.

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Re: Good defragmenter
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2013, 05:08:34 am »
Back when I set up a Windows VM, there was an app called nLite or something for XP that automatically streamlined it. Maybe there's something similar for 8 and 8.1.
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Re: Good defragmenter
« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2013, 07:45:59 am »
I used to use Norton Disk Speed on W2K and XP, unfortunately it doesn't work on newer versions of windows, and they never made an updated version.
good to know someone mentioned this. i'm still using XP but Norton Speed Disk is long gone bye bye. it was fun using it back then, but when HDD size become larger and larger, it didnt cut it anymore. the cost of waiting the completion of significantly fragmented HDD is overwhelming the productivity of just using the fragmented disk and produce something more usefull and fun. a direct copy HDD->HDD is much more practical nowadays imho. the problem with built in Windows Defragmenter is that its so darn slow, the UI is so poor that we would not know when it will be completed, its like eternity, even in the old days (when Norton is a much fun to use).

I'm pretty sure Windows XP and later provide an API for this.
yeah i guess its like (1) read a chunk of data from disk into memory (2) write the chunk into disk free temp space for safety in case of power failure (3) write the chunk into new appropriate location (4) delete the previously read chunk (5) delete the temp chunk. in short its called, disk chunk swap or relocation (with many call of API). good luck bypassing API in Windows.

+1 to SSD i hope i wont forget when i go for the next shopping.
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Re: Good defragmenter
« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2013, 08:01:54 am »
... i'm still using XP ....

+1 to SSD i hope i wont forget when i go for the next shopping.

Windows XP will shorten your SSD's life since it does not support TRIM natively.

Either jump ship to Linux or migrate to Win 7 (minimum).

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Or straight bare metal Linux + virtual machine running XP and still as the main platform, if you still can not let XP go.   >:D
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Re: Good defragmenter
« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2013, 09:21:07 am »
Windows XP will shorten your SSD's life since it does not support TRIM natively.
thanx for notifying, but shorten by how much? last night i window shopped online to find out time between failure for SSD is 200 years (assuming 24/7 operation). with HDD i only can confidently say service life of 5-10 years "practically" of my daily life, forget whats written on paper. if its shorten by 50% hence 100 years, then its good enough! i dont have enough lifetime to witness the event ;D even alot better than few HDD crashes that i've experienced before.

Or straight bare metal Linux + virtual machine running XP and still as the main platform, if you still can not let XP go.   >:D
and for what goodness it is if all my softwares and drivers are running and accepted in XP? just to satify TRIM support? i fell being left with XP+HDD is much more heart soothing :P or maybe i can deal with upgrade to Win7 (not Win8) and let go some of little nice XP features that are crippled in Win7.
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Re: Good defragmenter
« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2013, 09:24:34 am »
Not a SSD expert, but I pretty sure the TRIM specification is made for a good reason.

Its your money and your decision.  :P

i fell being left with XP+HDD is much more heart soothing :P

Hmm... what a coincidence, I have a friend that is exactly like you, but still love to use DOS, maybe I should introduce him to you, so you can convince him to move to Win XP maybe ?  >:D
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