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| mendip_discovery:
Browsers are the new OS. You need skills in many scripting languages just to get a site to work these days. Scares my why the browser needs 4 GB of RAM to just view 2 webpages. Lastnight I swapped a site over for a charity, it's gone from a 50 MB site to a 550 MB site. Now the bloat is because of the 'designer' only using wordpress and not resizing pictures before uploading. I think I might go back and do my next site in notepad with HTML and CSS. It's not fancy but it just works. |
| Nominal Animal:
--- Quote from: NiHaoMike on July 27, 2023, 04:57:50 am ---I can see the rise of a stealth adblocker. --- End quote --- Indeed. Something like this proposal would be the only thing stopping users from using those, if they became widely used. I do need to use adblockers, because ads and similar distractions are too aggravating and annoying to me. I can't watch TV, or videos with ads at all, I just get annoyed about them. (I also have NoScript enabled by default, and only allow enough JavaScript to make the sites usable.) I do perfectly understand the way ads support sites like this here, and content creators in general, but I just cannot deal with them properly without getting >:( . If Dave told us we need to disable adblocks for EEVblog forums, I'd have to stop participating; otherwise I'd really risk becoming a serious nuisance, because I'd be always in a really bad mood and distracted. I'm not kidding, ads – even domain-specific ads for test equipment and prototype PCB services – have that effect on me. Sure, it is my personal problem, not Dave's or Youtube's or Google's. The question is, do we want a society where people like myself with the limitations I have are completely excluded from participating? Where everything is permitted or not allowed based on whether some company can make a profit out of it? Right now, I don't even have the funds to subscribe to Youtube Premium or Patreon for the content creators I would like to support. If my financial situation was better, then it'd be different (and I did do that often when I was better off financially). But before anyone makes their mind up about leeching or supporting financially, I'd like to point out that whenever the effects have been fully measured in practice –– the first real experiment I know of personally was by Eric Flint and Baen Free Library –– it turns out that giving out some content for free tends to be a massive driver for related content sales. It applies even to games' piracy: the ones who pirate most, statistically tend to also spend most money on games. Not to say what kind of effect first open libraries, and now the free availability of information on the web, has made on people's ability to truly learn, without having gatekeepers on knowledge. Thus, even though some want to frame it as a question of stealing or freeloading, the larger picture is more complex and more interconnected, and not as simple as many in Google's position seem to believe. It is definitely about the direction of global cultures, not just business needs. (Of course, people who know as little as possible are easier to rule, if you're into manipulating and controlling others.) |
| Faranight:
--- Quote from: mendip_discovery on July 27, 2023, 01:15:53 pm ---I think I might go back and do my next site in notepad with HTML and CSS. It's not fancy but it just works. --- End quote --- Exactly, there's too much bloat everywhere today. I do come from a time when websites were done in HTML+CSS, and they just worked. Even if you had javascript disabled in your browser they still worked. But today if you disable javascript, you will get mostly blank white pages on many websites. There's way too much reliance on javascript, and it often slows down page loading to a crawl. |
| MrMobodies:
--- Quote from: Faranight on July 27, 2023, 06:08:20 pm ---But today if you disable javascript, you will get mostly blank white pages on many websites. There's way too much reliance on javascript, and it often slows down page loading to a crawl. --- End quote --- Some of them seem fake where if you disable CSS (via an extension) you see just the text. I have seen webpages in the past load which the contents can been seen briefly for about a second then a white overlay appears to make it looks like it don't work. https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/chromium-apps/c/Kpbc6lT6Id4 --- Quote ---Boycott Google Chrome 147 views wrox osbourne Jul 11, 2010, 1:39:07 AM to Chromium Apps As a Computer Science student and expert Web Developer, I looked into what Google is doing with their Chrome browser. It's a nightmare for all developers and programmers across the Free Internet and world. Google's Chrome and its very design is breaking all known and stable internet standards (like JavaScript) for corporate/control reasons. The goals and vision as stated by Google are not to work with W3C, Mozilla, Microsoft, etc. on standards, but to rewrite the WWW. With wild claims of a Google platform for "rich interactive applications" that are non-existent or simple/dumb, it's questionable. Perhaps a corporate power grab, masked in the language of "open source" and media hype, Google's Chrome must be boycotted. Google is effectively building a G-Browser for a "Google WWW", not the stable Free Internet we all share. In the end, no smart user will trust a Google "Cloud" server with their privacy or passwords. --- End quote --- From 2010 and well it has already happened now they have been given all the power they need to do it. I remember their Picasa platform was great in 2009 until they bloated it horribly in 2014 where the thumbnails were made oversized (fewer per line and page) and stuck the stupid gradients all over them (didn't use adblock then or know I could use it to hide them) and I deleted all my pictures from it. Then Picasa started out with their stupid fixed header after Yahoo destroyed their page with it (with a massive big spammy toolbar in the way following down the page) as I remember a response to the complaints about it was to "streamline it :bullshit: " with it's branding and all the other companies it brought out. Maybe it is time for vendors like Opera, Vivaldi and Brave to start working on switching to Firefox engine oh wait then all their users could be eventually cut off from anything Google and that could start a war. |
| amyk:
--- Quote from: Faranight on July 27, 2023, 09:26:27 am --- --- Quote from: SiliconWizard on July 26, 2023, 07:56:18 pm ---The number of web sites that work with Chrome/Chromium and not with Firefox for instance is growing and hint, it's not because Firefox doesn't comply with the standards. --- End quote --- It's because the websites don't comply with the standards since Chrome has led them astray. --- End quote --- Google already has effectively complete control of the "standard". They even came up with the oxymoron "living standard", which means they can change it whenever they want. Then they spread propaganda about how other browsers are "holding back progress" or whatever, when their idea of "progress" is to constantly make many changes to its browser and "standard" to force others to keep trying to catch up. This could've been completely ignored, but also thanks to Big G's propaganda, we have tons of gullible web developers making sites with these Chrome-only features when they weren't ever necessary. That's also why they're so bloated. Fortunately this site isn't one of those. I can still post here from an oscilloscope running XP with IE6 :P |
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