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mendip_discovery:
I partly blame the bloat down to the need to create two red lines but with blue ink.

G keeps creating new tools for developers without asking if we really need them. It reminds me of some of the IE stuff MS came out with back in the day, marquee. They have turned into the one thing they hated.

I must say I never really liked CSS even though it was written for designers it seems they were never asked about it. I remember a number of work arounds you had to use just to get somthing to be centred on a page.
madires:
Do you remember YouTube's Polymer redesign a few years back? It was based on an old deprecated API only available in Chrome. With Firefox or Edge page loading took about 5 times longer.
AndyBeez:

--- Quote from: mendip_discovery on July 27, 2023, 01:15:53 pm ---Browsers are the new OS. You need skills in many scripting languages just to get a site to work these days. Scares my why the browser needs 4 GB of RAM to just view 2 webpages.

Lastnight I swapped a site over for a charity, it's gone from a 50 MB site to a 550 MB site. Now the bloat is because of the 'designer' only using wordpress and not resizing pictures before uploading.

I think I might go back and do my next site in notepad with HTML and CSS. It's not fancy but it just works.

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Yah! Go Old Skool!  Sadly hand crafting is a dying art form. The generation of new Web developers think they need a framework/s with fancy IDEs, because this is how it is done.

I recently wrote a simple JS event handler to efficiently handle keystrokes - and update other values on the fly. Wrong. Should have used React and Docker, as that how onChange event handling is done in the 2020s? It's rather like an EE being told they have to use the Arduino platform and open source ChatGPT code to blink an LED, rather than just use a capacitor and a UJT. Anyway, no-one there knew how to code from scratch in the first place.

It is now a case that code bloat rises to cover the bandwidth available. I ponder has anyone worked out how much extra CO2 Google's bloat culture is contributing to? Is Chrome causing climate change? I await the 'expert' on YouTube to tell me.
PlainName:

--- Quote --- The generation of new Web developers think they need a framework/s with fancy IDEs, because this is how it is done.
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Same could be said about new embedded device developers, needing Arduino or whatever 'simple' framework to do anything.
Nominal Animal:

--- Quote from: AndyBeez on July 28, 2023, 10:50:42 am ---Yah! Go Old Skool!  Sadly hand crafting is a dying art form. The generation of new Web developers think they need a framework/s with fancy IDEs, because this is how it is done.
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I've been trying to entice people to create simple tools as self-contained web pages, so they need only a browser and not even an internet connection.  The JS implementations in current browsers are pretty damn efficient, and if written without any browser-specific tricks, these things work even on phone browsers if need be.  An example I often point to here is my finite impulse response analysis example, all of 372 lines of HTML+CSS+JS in that single file, that you can stuff your FIR coefficients into (at top of page), and it'll show you the frequency response.  Could be made much more useful, if there was an actual use case – maybe add frequency or wavelength ticks horizontally? – but its brevity and simplicity should show how easy these things are to make, if one were to learn a bit of HTML, CSS, HTML DOM, and JavaScript.
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