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| vk6zgo:
--- Quote from: Brumby on June 18, 2021, 02:33:36 pm --- --- Quote from: themadhippy on June 18, 2021, 02:04:55 pm --- --- Quote --- where even professional electrical engineers with their advanced qualifications and decades of experience are banned from installing a power point or a light switch in their own home. --- End quote --- sounds like the uk. --- End quote --- Wrong side of the equator. It's Australia. You can have all the knowledge and qualifications under the sun, but if you don't have an Electricians Licence, you can't touch a power point, light switch or any other fixed wiring. Even then, there are classes of licence, depending on where the required work is within the network (think Cat ratings on your meter). --- End quote --- The strange thing is that if you go to TAFE, do a short course, & get an "R" licence, you can then happily "remove & replace devices connected to a 3ph supply", provided this is in connection with the practice of your trade or occupation", or something along those lines, but you can't replace a power point, light switch, etc. Radio /TV Transmitter techs, who worked for a Commonwealth organisation, were conveniently ignored by the States, & those who worked in similar jobs in the private sector "sort of rode along" on this. After all, they, too, had a Commonwealth qualification). Some years back, some "suit" in the WA electrical licencing authority discovered the horrible truth---- Radio Techs didn't just fix pocket transistor radios, but played with bigger scarier stuff!---Aaaaiiieee! :scared: Hey Presto! We had to go get an "R" licence! ;D Pretty much the same story in the other States, too! |
| Someone:
lol, the usual reactionary crap from 4th hand retellings that have wandered from the actual situation. Expert testimony is in no way normal public speaking or a passive pass-time, this guy didn't put an opinion on a blog or chat to someone at a party, but was put into court to provide an opinion. Which is something that only registered professionals can do (for various reasons) and no amount of disclaimers along the lines of "I'm not a registered engineer, but.... " avoid it. |
| ebastler:
--- Quote from: Someone on June 19, 2021, 07:42:56 am ---lol, the usual reactionary crap from 4th hand retellings that have wandered from the actual situation. Expert testimony is in no way normal public speaking or a passive pass-time, this guy didn't put an opinion on a blog or chat to someone at a party, but was put into court to provide an opinion. Which is something that only registered professionals can do (for various reasons) and no amount of disclaimers along the lines of "I'm not a registered engineer, but.... " avoid it. --- End quote --- Where did you read or hear that he testified in court as an expert? Not saying that you are wrong, but I did not see that mentioned anywhere. Can you please provide a reference to your source? |
| jpanhalt:
Here's an update: https://www.wect.com/2021/06/10/retired-wilmington-engineer-files-federal-lawsuit-against-state-board-claims-first-amendement-violations/ @Someone In the US, in order to testify as an expert witness, the court must accept your qualifications. That can be done before or during a trial. Of course, if the expert lies during that examination he/she commits perjury. As for limiting such testimony to "registered" professionals only, being currently registered or licensed may help establish expertise, but is not required per se, at least not every instance. There is a distinction between being an expert witness and practicing. For example, an individual can represent himself in court, but he cannot give an expert opinion on the law. |
| EEVblog:
--- Quote from: ebastler on June 19, 2021, 06:36:17 am --- --- Quote from: EEVblog on June 18, 2021, 12:01:13 pm ---This time it's North Carolina & Wayne Nutt: --- End quote --- Seems like a clear-cut case to me. One might require a license to offer engineering services and charge for them. There may also be a license requirement if you want to perform engineering and act upon the results -- e.g. build a house or a bridge. Both are reasonable requirements to protect the general public from scams or from potentially dangerous buildings or products. But I struggle to imagine any legal system where it is prohibited to practice scientific studies, calculations, technical design work etc. for your own pleasure, or to give non-binding and free advice to others. --- End quote --- In the US, yes, they have actual freedom of speech protected by the constitution. Other countries like the UK and Australia for example aren't so lucky, and we have been seeing the erosion of what freedoms we thought we had under case law. Hate speech laws for example, it is actually now a crime in the UK now to insult someone. The police come to your door to "check your thinking" because you sent a mean tweet someone didn't like. It's now technically illegal to even call yourself a Professional Engineer in Victoria, even though calling yourself an Engineer is not illegal, and Professional is a common word that describes your vocation :palm: : |
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