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| Brumby:
--- Quote from: james_s on June 19, 2021, 07:23:05 am ---I'm sure the people who made laws barring even competent individuals from doing their own electrical work thought they were making the world a safer place, but it comes with unintended consequences, and being treated like an incompetent child by a government entity is something I find absolutely intolerable and oppressive. --- End quote --- I understand you frustration - and I share it to a point, but it comes down to a point where there are people that THINK they are competent .... .... and then there are the conversations I've heard at Bunnings. Some people should be banned from using even a hammer. |
| Brumby:
--- Quote from: themadhippy on June 19, 2021, 01:08:09 pm --- --- Quote ---You can change a fitting in the UK without any qualification if its your own house, --- End quote --- unless its in a special location,such as a room containing a bath or shower --- End quote --- Legally, I can't touch ANY fixed wiring in my own home. |
| Marco:
--- Quote from: Someone on June 19, 2021, 11:46:59 am ---By giving expert testimony the regulatory board says that is undertaking engineering practice which is restricted, while the other side has jumped at free speech as a populist position to gloss over all the complexities. There has to be a line somewhere between practising that impacts the public, providing testimony in court is pretty clearly something that impacts the public. --- End quote --- Sometimes you need outsiders to say the emperor has no clothes and law seems to me the perfect place to do that ... how can judges and juries judge the accuracy of testimony without some board putting on their seal of approval? Well I guess they'll just have to do their best, lawyers for the other side are allowed to attack the credibility of testimony and present their own experts. The alternative is to have zero recourse in questioning the decisions of incestuous groups of engineers. |
| ebastler:
--- Quote from: Someone on June 19, 2021, 11:46:59 am --- --- Quote from: ebastler on June 19, 2021, 08:48:54 am --- --- Quote from: Someone on June 19, 2021, 07:42:56 am ---lol, the usual reactionary crap from 4th hand retellings that have wandered from the actual situation. Expert testimony is in no way normal public speaking or a passive pass-time, this guy didn't put an opinion on a blog or chat to someone at a party, but was put into court to provide an opinion. Which is something that only registered professionals can do (for various reasons) and no amount of disclaimers along the lines of "I'm not a registered engineer, but.... " avoid it. --- End quote --- Where did you read or hear that he testified in court as an expert? Not saying that you are wrong, but I did not see that mentioned anywhere. Can you please provide a reference to your source? --- End quote --- Here is the "free speech" side of the story: https://ij.org/press-release/north-carolina-board-tells-retired-engineer-he-cant-talk-about-engineering/ Where you can see the actual legal document they submitted. --- End quote --- Thanks. The factual history included in that filing states that he prepared a "preliminary draft" opinion in writing and was deposed as a witness. It seems that he never got to actually testify, since the opposing party immediately threatened to report him to the Board. Next time you express an opinion, it would be great if you could skip the "LOL"ing at other forum members and calling their posts "reactionary crap". And if you want to scold others for relying on "4th hand retellings", it would be more convincing if your own facts were fully correct, not just directionally. ::) |
| Someone:
--- Quote from: ebastler on June 19, 2021, 02:14:43 pm --- --- Quote from: Someone on June 19, 2021, 11:46:59 am --- --- Quote from: ebastler on June 19, 2021, 08:48:54 am --- --- Quote from: Someone on June 19, 2021, 07:42:56 am ---lol, the usual reactionary crap from 4th hand retellings that have wandered from the actual situation. Expert testimony is in no way normal public speaking or a passive pass-time, this guy didn't put an opinion on a blog or chat to someone at a party, but was put into court to provide an opinion. Which is something that only registered professionals can do (for various reasons) and no amount of disclaimers along the lines of "I'm not a registered engineer, but.... " avoid it. --- End quote --- Where did you read or hear that he testified in court as an expert? Not saying that you are wrong, but I did not see that mentioned anywhere. Can you please provide a reference to your source? --- End quote --- Here is the "free speech" side of the story: https://ij.org/press-release/north-carolina-board-tells-retired-engineer-he-cant-talk-about-engineering/ Where you can see the actual legal document they submitted. --- End quote --- Thanks. The factual history included in that filing states that he prepared a "preliminary draft" opinion in writing and was deposed as a witness. It seems that he never got to actually testify, since the opposing party immediately threatened to report him to the Board. Next time you express an opinion, it would be great if you could skip the "LOL"ing at other forum members and calling their posts "reactionary crap". And if you want to scold others for relying on "4th hand retellings", it would be more convincing if your own facts were fully correct, not just directionally. ::) --- End quote --- So the people making the 4th hand retelling aren't the problem here and I'm supposed to chase all the relevant links/documents to your satisfaction? lol. Some people on here have particular axes to grind and they will frame all sorts of things to suit their relevant obsessions. Half the time its just nonsense and not actually anything to do with what they are jumping onto. |
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