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| ejeffrey:
--- Quote from: Someone on August 03, 2023, 01:27:41 am ---When the *** hits the fan its nice to have mechanical/non-electrical measurements that are standalone/reliable or at least as a double check. --- End quote --- Since TMI was made dramatically worse by operators misunderstanding the readouts, I think when the *** hits the fan you want to have a system designed to give the most relevant information presented in a way that allows you to efficiently make correct decisions. |
| freda:
--- Quote from: Someone on August 03, 2023, 01:36:37 am ---https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vogtle_Electric_Generating_Plant --- End quote --- some very interesting reads and so is the related start of the bankruptcy of Westinghouse. At the inception of this reactor, the capabilities to build such large projects was very diminished. I wonder if Westinghouse had grown the capabilities in-house rather than sub contracting out would have been more successful? seeing how Tesla has more less totally built up car manufacturing in-house and majority of its production ability, from being near virgins to that industry. It took a while but seems very successful. |
| Someone:
--- Quote from: ejeffrey on August 03, 2023, 01:58:18 am --- --- Quote from: Someone on August 03, 2023, 01:27:41 am ---When the *** hits the fan its nice to have mechanical/non-electrical measurements that are standalone/reliable or at least as a double check. --- End quote --- Since TMI was made dramatically worse by operators misunderstanding the readouts, I think when the *** hits the fan you want to have a system designed to give the most relevant information presented in a way that allows you to efficiently make correct decisions. --- End quote --- Its layers, readable clear well designed is great when it can be supplied. No disagreement. Then Fukushima with technicians scrambling to get batteries. I'm a big fan of inherent safety/stability but unexpected/catastrophic events will occur and at that point independent mechanical backups are less likely to be inoperative. |
| schmitt trigger:
I get the fact that these projects are so enormous and complex that it defies comprehension for us mere mortal beings. But, but… a large engineering organization, whose raison d’être is precisely to build such projects, how can they miss their delivery-dates and budget targets for so much? I know, I know, there will be “rainy days”. But this is the rule, not the exception, and if one is experienced at managing these projects, one plans ahead for the inevitable setbacks. My theory, and that is only my personal theory: that when the project is first developed, the costs and timeframe are low balled in other to win the contract. |
| rstofer:
--- Quote from: schmitt trigger on August 03, 2023, 12:59:41 pm ---I get the fact that these projects are so enormous and complex that it defies comprehension for us mere mortal beings. But, but… a large engineering organization, whose raison d’être is precisely to build such projects, how can they miss their delivery-dates and budget targets for so much? I know, I know, there will be “rainy days”. But this is the rule, not the exception, and if one is experienced at managing these projects, one plans ahead for the inevitable setbacks. My theory, and that is only my personal theory: that when the project is first developed, the costs and timeframe are low balled in other to win the contract. --- End quote --- Lawsuits cause delays and delays cost money - lots of money. The game plan of the anti-nukes has always been to drive the cost so high that nobody would think of building a project. I added a contingency line item to every project I ever worked on. It was removed by Finance on every project I ever worked on. So, I continued to include the line item on future projects so Finance could make their contribution to cost containment but I also buried another copy in each of the various line items. California is just damned lucky that Diablo Canyon Nuclear Power Plant didn't shut down on schedule or we would be in serious trouble with this heat wave. Apparently the Governor thought it should stay open for another 20 years. Not the answer his supporters wanted! PG&E gets $1.1bn from Feds to not shut it down: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-approves-conditional-funding-diablo-canyon-nuclear-power-plant-2022-11-21 |
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