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Great Scott 1.21 (almost) Jigowatts -- new reactor in USA
gnuarm:
It's kind of funny when talking to those who support nuclear power. In the US, all you need to do to kill any thought of building nuclear power plants is to say the US government will not guarantee loans, and will not guarantee the price paid for the power generated. Then no one will put a penny into any part of building these monster projects.
People focus on how safe the operation is, how we've had so few accidents (if you phrase is just right, you can say zero) and how little existing nuclear power costs. But they don't look at what it takes to build new construction for nuclear.
The two new reactors which failed in South Carolina bankrupted Westinghouse Nuclear. That's quite a clear indication that new construction of nuclear power generation is pretty much dead in the US.
AlbertL:
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--- Quote from: AlbertL on August 02, 2023, 02:35:24 pm ---A $30 billion dollar plant, and this is what you get for a control room? https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/first-class-of-vogtle-3--4-nuclear-operators-pass-nrc-licensing-exam-300346151.html . I suppose they charge extra if you want real lights, switches and gauges. "Shoulda bought an RBMK!"
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Those consoles with huge Stackpole/Sealectro switches are totally old-school. Modern controls systems with screens that reconfigure to show diagrammatically what the system is doing are much better for human-machine interface.
Jon
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When the *** hits the fan its nice to have mechanical/non-electrical measurements that are standalone/reliable or at least as a double check.
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At least they didn't skimp on the operating system - note the logo on the screen at the bottom center! :scared:
JustMeHere:
--- Quote from: AlbertL on August 08, 2023, 09:39:07 pm ---
--- Quote from: Someone on August 03, 2023, 01:27:41 am ---
--- Quote from: jmelson on August 02, 2023, 05:12:34 pm ---
--- Quote from: AlbertL on August 02, 2023, 02:35:24 pm ---A $30 billion dollar plant, and this is what you get for a control room? https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/first-class-of-vogtle-3--4-nuclear-operators-pass-nrc-licensing-exam-300346151.html . I suppose they charge extra if you want real lights, switches and gauges. "Shoulda bought an RBMK!"
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Those consoles with huge Stackpole/Sealectro switches are totally old-school. Modern controls systems with screens that reconfigure to show diagrammatically what the system is doing are much better for human-machine interface.
Jon
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When the *** hits the fan its nice to have mechanical/non-electrical measurements that are standalone/reliable or at least as a double check.
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At least they didn't skimp on the operating system - note the logo on the screen at the bottom center! :scared: (Attachment Link)
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That could very well be Windows Embedded Industrial. I've seen that before on ATMs.
Veteran68:
Or that particularly workstation could just be a standard Windows desktop and not a critical part of the reactor control system.
gnuarm:
--- Quote from: Veteran68 on August 09, 2023, 02:45:16 pm ---Or that particularly workstation could just be a standard Windows desktop and not a critical part of the reactor control system.
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Even if it is a non-critical part, no one is going to upgrade the OS unless there is a reason. I recall they used Windows NT on a US naval vessel which had some fatal error that nearly stranded the ship. The point of sticking with NT was because it was a known entity, but in the end, known or not, Windows was just not stable enough to depend on.
Maybe they should have used OS/2?
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