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H5N1 bird flu and how we're risking another global pandemic

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Halcyon:

--- Quote from: coppice on May 03, 2024, 02:16:01 pm ---Do you realise that if you keep taking a vaccine you loose immunity to the disease it is for? This is one of the body's regulatory mechanisms, which limits auto-immune diseases from wiping us out.

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Coppice, come on! I expected better from you. This isn't the case at all.

The entire purpose of on-going vaccination (particularly in people with auto-immune disorders) is for continued protection against serious illness. Firstly, immunity to COVID wanes fairly quickly over several months. Secondly, each subsequent vaccination I'm receiving protects against newer strains of the virus. The latest available vaccine which I'm about to get this month is for XBB.1.5 variant (something my immune system probably hasn't seen before).

In any case, I'd rather receive a free jab once every 6-12 months to provide some protection, over no protection at all. All it costs me is 20 minutes of my time. If that means that one day I do catch COVID, it's likely to be mild and short-lived, which means I'm less likely to pass it onto others. 20 minutes well spent in my opinion.

Wallace Gasiewicz:
There arge instances of immunization not working as intended and causing untoward reactions when the patient gets infected.  Past RSV immunizations are an example. 

RJSV:
   Yeah, uh, NO.   The (non-doctors) here with self declared correctness, dismissing some other non-doctors here.
   Wallace G. just made important point.   I had just been thinking;   If we assume, as an exercise, that there IS a complicating or side-effect factor, let's say at really low trouble level.
Now, if we figured out a low rate, such as 0.002 percent of those vaccinated get side-effects, on a SINGLE DOSE event, and somebody is comfortable obtaining re-updated versions, like say 6 times, in three years, then that 'small' risk has potentially grown by 6X, right ?
   At what point does the harmful side effect get acknowledged, (vs dismissal as some bogus paranoid 'rumor')?

CatalinaWOW:

--- Quote from: RJSV on May 04, 2024, 02:08:51 am ---   Yeah, uh, NO.   The (non-doctors) here with self declared correctness, dismissing some other non-doctors here.
   Wallace G. just made important point.   I had just been thinking;   If we assume, as an exercise, that there IS a complicating or side-effect factor, let's say at really low trouble level.
Now, if we figured out a low rate, such as 0.002 percent of those vaccinated get side-effects, on a SINGLE DOSE event, and somebody is comfortable obtaining re-updated versions, like say 6 times, in three years, then that 'small' risk has potentially grown by 6X, right ?
   At what point does the harmful side effect get acknowledged, (vs dismissal as some bogus paranoid 'rumor')?

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It doesn't necessarily work that way either.  Some will get side effects with every exposure, some never will and just about every other possibility.

This whole thing is an argument about a very complex subject on which no one has all of the facts, or even knows what all the unknowns are.  Made more complex by a wide range of opinions about the relative merit of public vs individual safety.

I have elsewhere pointed out a simple, very well defined thought experiment which will result in wide disagreement..

Imagine that a pill is developed that with the property that a single dose will provide perfect lifelong immunity to all communicable diseases.  But has the rare side effect that(say one in a thousand)  people will die instantly and painlessly.

Would you take such a pill?  Would you make it mandatory to take it?  Would those answers change if the side effect was more or less rare?  If so, what is the inflection point?  Would the answers change if the death was weeks long and very painful?

Answers to these questions will vary both from culture to culture and individual to individual

Halcyon:

--- Quote from: Wallace Gasiewicz on May 04, 2024, 01:34:53 am ---There arge instances of immunization not working as intended and causing untoward reactions when the patient gets infected.  Past RSV immunizations are an example.

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No one is disputing that a small number of people will have adverse reactions. It does happen. But rather, for the vast majority of the population (i.e.: almost everyone), it has a positive impact overall.

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