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Re: Hack-A-Day Comment Censorship
« Reply #125 on: October 29, 2024, 07:05:06 pm »
Maybe a bit late to bring this up, but back on the very frst initial topic of this thread:

Are there any other sites similar to hackaday, I must confes I find it useful as a place to browse for random technical ideas and for introductions to technical techniques I hadn't thought of before. Also perhaps, sites like hackaday, but less concerned with being a "goody two shoes" when it comes to matters which have become politicised. For example I get the perception that hackaday's editors have a bit of a disapproval for the likes of Edward Snowden and Julian Assange, and while their sort of privacy focused computer work isn't really so applicable to the low level electronics tinkering that hackaday is mainly build on, that editorial attitude feels a bit iffy, whitewashed corporate attitude sort of thing, a "don't speak good words of people the mainstream media doesn't like". And hackaday spent the pandemic treating the horror show of digital ID cards (what a vaccine passport actually is) as a perfectly normal thing, and thinking it fun when people made a fancy wallet to hold a QR code which bound them in to a checkpoint dystopia. And hackaday won't openly talk of mass defiance against consumer-abusing DRM when DMCA provisions are in support of that DRM, they talk right to repair alright but not so much about grabbing that right by technical means. They clearly know the readers, rightly, don't respect it when DMCA tries to stop users controlling their own property, but being too mainstream and corporate an organisation obviously don't feel confident openly advocating the breaking of silly rules. And hackaday had articles which put a positive spin on censorship and on de-anonymisation of social media users.

Are there any other sites similar to hackaday, and equally prolific in terms of rate of "articles" (well pointers to other people's videos or articles) per week, which either take a totally non-politics attitude and stay well away from any articles touching on politicised matters, or take a more classical-cyber-libertarian attitude to it when an article touches those sort of topics?

My preference would be for written articles (images plus text) being linked to rather than always linking to videos.
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Re: Hack-A-Day Comment Censorship
« Reply #126 on: October 30, 2024, 02:32:32 am »
Are there any other sites similar to hackaday, I must confes I find it useful as a place to browse for random technical ideas and for introductions to technical techniques I hadn't thought of before. Also perhaps, sites like hackaday, but less concerned with being a "goody two shoes" when it comes to matters which have become politicised. For example I get the perception that hackaday's editors have a bit of a disapproval for the likes of Edward Snowden and Julian Assange, and while their sort of privacy focused computer work isn't really so applicable to the low level electronics tinkering that hackaday is mainly build on, that editorial attitude feels a bit iffy, whitewashed corporate attitude sort of thing, a "don't speak good words of people the mainstream media doesn't like". And hackaday spent the pandemic treating the horror show of digital ID cards (what a vaccine passport actually is) as a perfectly normal thing, and thinking it fun when people made a fancy wallet to hold a QR code which bound them in to a checkpoint dystopia. And hackaday won't openly talk of mass defiance against consumer-abusing DRM when DMCA provisions are in support of that DRM, they talk right to repair alright but not so much about grabbing that right by technical means. They clearly know the readers, rightly, don't respect it when DMCA tries to stop users controlling their own property, but being too mainstream and corporate an organisation obviously don't feel confident openly advocating the breaking of silly rules. And hackaday had articles which put a positive spin on censorship and on de-anonymisation of social media users.

If you care about that sort of thing, it's no secret that Hackaday is (was?) generally regarded as a bit "woke". AFAIK though they haven't flouted it much unlike say Adafruit
The current Editor in Chief has pronouns in his bio FWIW.
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Re: Hack-A-Day Comment Censorship
« Reply #127 on: October 30, 2024, 02:38:18 am »
Hackaday was pro master/slave name change.

Seems like they are a bit bored and need more to do. I wonder how they feel about male/female connectors.
 

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« Reply #128 on: October 30, 2024, 02:45:46 am »
Hackaday was pro master/slave name change.

Seems like they are a bit bored and need more to do. I wonder how they feel about male/female connectors.

"Oh, that's so binary gender biased: we prefer to call them 'concave' and 'convex'."
 

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Re: Hack-A-Day Comment Censorship
« Reply #129 on: October 30, 2024, 07:00:17 am »
   This reminds me,  of one timely thing to say,  regarding some of the current expressions,  that we are 'past the worst' of the whole 'woke-tard' movements:

   The folks thinking these things up have,  actually,  placed the players they need,  hence the comment about hackaday leader 'pronouns'.
Deliberately and strategically placed, IMO.

   LIBRARY here has gone through that revision of mission,  as it began a whole series of,  shockingly inappropriate 'Drag Queen Shows'  and other local library LNQBQ 'Book Author Day's.(And I've worked in various gay person settings,  in San Francisco no less!)

   The older school gays weren't really in your face,  and I enjoyed the workplace diversity...compared to older,  stuffy office settings.

   So it was/is a bewildering and unforseen 'push',  to do the 'Chip on my shoulder thing',  a Library personell 'revolution' of sorts.

   Point is this is TODAY,  not some stale,  funny crapola.
 

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Re: Hack-A-Day Comment Censorship
« Reply #130 on: October 30, 2024, 07:14:25 am »
The older school gays weren't really in your face,  and I enjoyed the workplace diversity...compared to older,  stuffy office settings.
So it was/is a bewildering and unforseen 'push',  to do the 'Chip on my shoulder thing',  a Library personell 'revolution' of sorts.
Point is this is TODAY,  not some stale,  funny crapola.

I'm not sure if I quite make the cut of an "old school gay" just yet, but even my friends and I who are of similar persuasion and in their 30's are sick of hearing about this crap. I would suggest 95% of people in Australia couldn't care less who you sleep with or are at least indifferent, there's no need to continually shove it down peoples' throats (kek).

We draw the line of being able to identify as a paper bag or a unicorn.

Anyway, let's not get all political, just saying, the gays seem to be supporting the views of the heteosexuals these days. Isn't that all people want? To be ignored like the rest of society?
 
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Re: Hack-A-Day Comment Censorship
« Reply #131 on: October 30, 2024, 08:46:22 am »
If you care about that sort of thing, it's no secret that Hackaday is (was?) generally regarded as a bit "woke". AFAIK though they haven't flouted it much unlike say Adafruit
The current Editor in Chief has pronouns in his bio FWIW.
Hackaday was pro master/slave name change.
Everyone on the Adafruit Discord team has their pronouns listed. I asked a technical question from them (circuitpython) and one responder was complaining that I didn't list it, and they had no idea how to refer to me  :palm:. On discord, where @tszaboo gets you a notification. Imagine pushing political agenda on you after asking a technical question.
 

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Re: Hack-A-Day Comment Censorship
« Reply #132 on: October 30, 2024, 09:09:36 am »
Anyway, let's not get all political, just saying, the gays seem to be supporting the views of the heteosexuals these days. Isn't that all people want? To be ignored like the rest of society?

Heh; I always think if I were somehow appointed the Ayatollah in charge of everyone, one of the first things I'd do would be to legalize gay marriage (in places where it's outlawed), by saying "Well, of course everyone should have the same right to make their life miserable!".
 

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Re: Hack-A-Day Comment Censorship
« Reply #133 on: October 30, 2024, 09:12:37 am »
Everyone on the Adafruit Discord team has their pronouns listed. I asked a technical question from them (circuitpython) and one responder was complaining that I didn't list it, and they had no idea how to refer to me  :palm:. On discord, where @tszaboo gets you a notification. Imagine pushing political agenda on you after asking a technical question.

I'll give them an A for taking their wokeness seriously.
 

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Re: Hack-A-Day Comment Censorship
« Reply #134 on: October 30, 2024, 10:13:47 am »
Hackaday was pro master/slave name change.

Seems like they are a bit bored and need more to do. I wonder how they feel about male/female connectors.

Hermaphroditic connectors are convenient for obvious reasons, but are usually expensive. The only ones I have are GR874 :)
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Re: Hack-A-Day Comment Censorship
« Reply #135 on: October 30, 2024, 10:19:26 am »
If you care about that sort of thing, it's no secret that Hackaday is (was?) generally regarded as a bit "woke". AFAIK though they haven't flouted it much unlike say Adafruit
The current Editor in Chief has pronouns in his bio FWIW.
Hackaday was pro master/slave name change.
Everyone on the Adafruit Discord team has their pronouns listed. I asked a technical question from them (circuitpython) and one responder was complaining that I didn't list it, and they had no idea how to refer to me  :palm:. On discord, where @tszaboo gets you a notification. Imagine pushing political agenda on you after asking a technical question.

Oh dear Dog.

I'd probably list it as "their/your". And give my name as "Twatty MacTwatFace"
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Re: Hack-A-Day Comment Censorship
« Reply #136 on: October 30, 2024, 10:34:20 am »
Lol
in the last few days some person at Hackaday has been commenting under Dave Jones's name (clearly a troll from the content)
initially using eevblog as link on their name, later ones with goatse or other shock sites  :-DD

https://hackaday.com/2024/10/29/asahi-linux-brings-better-gaming-to-apple-silicon/#comment-8056027

That's clearly not dave

If you care about that sort of thing, it's no secret that Hackaday is (was?) generally regarded as a bit "woke". AFAIK though they haven't flouted it much unlike say Adafruit
The current Editor in Chief has pronouns in his bio FWIW.
Hackaday was pro master/slave name change.

as i recall that there was some drama regarding the resign of last editor in chief
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Re: Hack-A-Day Comment Censorship
« Reply #137 on: October 30, 2024, 10:41:37 am »
Anyway, let's not get all political, just saying, the gays seem to be supporting the views of the heteosexuals these days. Isn't that all people want? To be ignored like the rest of society?

Heh; I always think if I were somehow appointed the Ayatollah in charge of everyone, one of the first things I'd do would be to legalize gay marriage (in places where it's outlawed), by saying "Well, of course everyone should have the same right to make their life miserable!".

Getting married is no more of a choice than running Windows. There are other options out there.  ;D
 

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Re: Hack-A-Day Comment Censorship
« Reply #138 on: October 30, 2024, 11:52:14 am »
Anyway, let's not get all political, just saying, the gays seem to be supporting the views of the heteosexuals these days. Isn't that all people want? To be ignored like the rest of society?

Heh; I always think if I were somehow appointed the Ayatollah in charge of everyone, one of the first things I'd do would be to legalize gay marriage (in places where it's outlawed), by saying "Well, of course everyone should have the same right to make their life miserable!".

Getting married is no more of a choice than running Windows. There are other options out there.  ;D

The concept of marriage itself is a weird mixture of "decorative" tradition and legal agreements. Such legal agreements can be, in most places, already made without the "tradition" part due to another more generic concept of freedom of agreement. One's own new traditions can be, then again, freely defined by anyone in most countries.

It is not surprising to see backlash when asking changes for a specific already-existing tradition from those who like to keep said traditions as-is, and there is no obligation of society to adjust their traditions when requested, exactly because one is free to define their own traditions and ceremonies exactly as they wish (in most places, that is).

The key issue is people being conformists to the point that one is treated weirdly when they don't follow the traditions. People should say "fuck this system, I do whatever I want", but instead people choose to accept the conformism and try to fine-tune the system from inside. Which results in backlash because there will be a disagreement if a system should be changed or not. Which is normal.

In other words: consider fork instead of wondering why your pull request is not accepted.
 

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Re: Hack-A-Day Comment Censorship
« Reply #139 on: October 30, 2024, 11:58:43 am »
Anyway, let's not get all political, just saying, the gays seem to be supporting the views of the heteosexuals these days. Isn't that all people want? To be ignored like the rest of society?

Heh; I always think if I were somehow appointed the Ayatollah in charge of everyone, one of the first things I'd do would be to legalize gay marriage (in places where it's outlawed), by saying "Well, of course everyone should have the same right to make their life miserable!".

Getting married is no more of a choice than running Windows. There are other options out there.  ;D

Well, it is and it isn't. People like me don't have much respect for the institution of marriage: not against it, but I don't see it as an essential pillar of human society or anything. As you say, more like deciding which OS to use.

On the other hand, a lot of people here on Earth take marriage very seriously and see it as a sacred bond which needs protection from barbaric forces. So there's a spectrum of opinion there. And who can categorically say that all those people are wrong?
 

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Re: Hack-A-Day Comment Censorship
« Reply #140 on: October 30, 2024, 12:05:18 pm »
In other words: consider fork instead of wondering why your pull request is not accepted.
;D

Only problem is that when you do you might run a risk to get banned from 'Github'....
 

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« Reply #141 on: October 30, 2024, 05:48:00 pm »
I asked a technical question from them (circuitpython) and one responder was complaining that I didn't list [my pronouns], and they had no idea how to refer to me  :palm:. On discord, where @tszaboo gets you a notification. Imagine pushing political agenda on you after asking a technical question.
It's not about politics or ideology for me: I genuinely have problems with grammatical gender, as my native language has none and I prefer to just skip the entire thing in English by using they even for singular.

In colloquial Finnish, it is common to use it ("se") for everything from inanimate things to humans. (Typical example: They went to the bathroom = "Se meni vessaan.")  Some people insist on using them ("hän") for their pets, and get offended if you use it as for ordinary animals, because they feel it makes them less than persons.  Me, I tend to use it for everybody, and most animals are very happy to interact with me (or my hands and fingers, to be specific; both pets and domestics, and in certain cases even wild animals), and don't care what words I use, because they seem to find me easy to "read".  Humans, in comparison, are weird and difficult, and I often fail with them, no matter how hard I try.  In face-to-face discussion my body language reaction is so immediate and obvious that most humans forgive me my gaffes immediately, unless their ideology forbids them.  Most people also tend to find me easy to "read" and seem to be delighted to interact with me face-to-face, as far as I can determine (so not very far!) from repeated interactions.  (Funnily enough, I tend to interact well even with very religious people, even though my own attitude is best described as agnostic.  For example, I don't mind my actions being judged at all, as long as the judgment is done fairly.  Fairness is absolutely crucial to me, though.  It probably helps that I always apply it first to my own behaviour, with less strict demands/rules for others' behaviour.)

I do get called "racist" surprisingly often, even though I find the entire concept utterly ridiculous: to me, claiming that a person has intrinsic worth different to that of myself makes absolutely no sense, and emotionally feels similar to someone claiming they have psychic powers.  White supremacism, or exceptionalism in general, is in my opinion utter nonsense without any logical or rational basis.  If anything, I'm egalitarian to the core, with a very strong emphasis on fairness in all interactions.  Usually, it is really that those people find my egalitarian attitude unacceptable, and prefer a group identity based one instead, with no further arguments left but to label me a bad person whose opinions and logic should be ignored.

I do not mind that SparkFun and Adafruit and others have stopped using MISO and MOSI in relation to SPI.  It is absolutely fine in my opinion, because after all, they are businesses/organizations where end user interaction is paramount.  The problem is when my projects, my output, is rejected simply because I did not use the required terms.  And that obviously extends to everyone else, too.  (I really get angry about shunning/exclusion for unfair reasons.)

That is, it is the forced speech that is most problematic to me; and not because of ideology, but because I am aware of and suffer from personal limitations regarding such language.  Lack of fairness –– especially when some words are acceptable or unacceptable depending on the group membership of the utterer –– is an even bigger problem for me personally.  It is not a learned or acquired feature or ideology, though; we know from animal experiments that it is deep biological/physiological one, observed in many animals as well, and not at all unique to us humans.  Thus, in my opinion, fairness should be more important than ideological reasoning.  Only practical reasons should ever overrule basic/fundamental fairness.
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Re: Hack-A-Day Comment Censorship
« Reply #142 on: October 30, 2024, 09:51:46 pm »
Lol
in the last few days some person at Hackaday has been commenting under Dave Jones's name (clearly a troll from the content)
initially using eevblog as link on their name, later ones with goatse or other shock sites  :-DD

https://hackaday.com/2024/10/29/asahi-linux-brings-better-gaming-to-apple-silicon/#comment-8056027

That's clearly not dave

Yep, not me.
 

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Re: Hack-A-Day Comment Censorship
« Reply #143 on: October 30, 2024, 10:16:00 pm »
Lol
in the last few days some person at Hackaday has been commenting under Dave Jones's name (clearly a troll from the content)
initially using eevblog as link on their name, later ones with goatse or other shock sites  :-DD

https://hackaday.com/2024/10/29/asahi-linux-brings-better-gaming-to-apple-silicon/#comment-8056027

That's clearly not dave

Yep, not me.

If you can estimate the number of "real" David Jones in the world, then (assuming the Hackaday commentator really is a D Jones!), we can estimate the probability that the "other" D Jones is you.

That's the same kind of calculation that demonstrates that (in the UK population 65e6), a "one in a million chance" of a DNA match means the probability of a innocence is actually >98% (1-64/65). Bayes Rulez!

FFI, understand the "Prosecutor's Fallacy", e.g. https://rss.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1740-9713.2015.00839.x
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« Reply #144 on: October 30, 2024, 10:51:05 pm »
Lol
in the last few days some person at Hackaday has been commenting under Dave Jones's name (clearly a troll from the content)
initially using eevblog as link on their name, later ones with goatse or other shock sites  :-DD

https://hackaday.com/2024/10/29/asahi-linux-brings-better-gaming-to-apple-silicon/#comment-8056027

That's clearly not dave

Yep, not me.

If you can estimate the number of "real" David Jones in the world, then (assuming the Hackaday commentator really is a D Jones!), we can estimate the probability that the "other" D Jones is you.

Did you miss the "using eevblog as link"?

That cuts the odds down a bit.

Some monkee business going on there, arrrrrrrr.
 

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Re: Hack-A-Day Comment Censorship
« Reply #145 on: October 31, 2024, 12:23:20 am »
FFI, understand the "Prosecutor's Fallacy", e.g. https://rss.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1740-9713.2015.00839.x

Very good stuff there. Unfortunately, it's been yearsdecades since I took statistics, and 99.9% of it has evaporated out of my head. Still worth reading.
 

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« Reply #146 on: October 31, 2024, 12:40:00 am »
FFI, understand the "Prosecutor's Fallacy", e.g. https://rss.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1740-9713.2015.00839.x

Very good stuff there. Unfortunately, it's been yearsdecades since I took statistics, and 99.9% of it has evaporated out of my head. Still worth reading.

First level stats classes mention means, standard deviations, erf() and the like, but avoid mentioning the subtle differences between how stats is used by the types of statitician. The Bayesian statiticians claim, with some cause, that non-Bayesian statiticians occasionally almost re-invent Bayes' theorem without realising it.

FFI https://www.amazon.co.uk/Everything-Predictable-Remarkable-Theorem-Explains/dp/139960404X which is good but somewhat long-winded.
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« Reply #147 on: October 31, 2024, 12:54:59 am »
First level stats classes mention means, standard deviations, erf() and the like, but avoid mentioning the subtle differences between how stats is used by the types of statitician. The Bayesian statiticians claim, with some cause, that non-Bayesian statiticians occasionally almost re-invent Bayes' theorem without realising it.

All of that was waaaaaay beyond the scope of the class I took; it was a requirement for a business degree (BSBA). We spent a lot of time on things like ANOVA and sampling methodology. Good intro but certainly not a rigorous deep-dive.
 


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