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Hammerhead shark as electrometer front end
« on: May 18, 2021, 11:05:29 am »
Does this sound right?  Hammerhead sharks can detect fields of around 1nV/M??

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Re: Hammerhead shark as electrometer front end
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2021, 12:15:06 am »
The only way to be sure is to connect a 1.5V battery between Long Island Sound and the waters of Florida and see if it detects it.
 
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Re: Hammerhead shark as electrometer front end
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2021, 10:56:30 am »
The only way to be sure is to connect a 1.5V battery between Long Island Sound and the waters of Florida and see if it detects it.

Given the number of boats and ships around with sacrificial anodes, I think it would have a hell of a job.

I suspect that its response is low frequency AC rather than DC too. You don't want a hammerhead with uncontrolled drift!
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Re: Hammerhead shark as electrometer front end
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2021, 01:08:56 pm »
The only way to be sure is to connect a 1.5V battery between Long Island Sound and the waters of Florida and see if it detects it.

Given the number of boats and ships around with sacrificial anodes, I think it would have a hell of a job.

I suspect that its response is low frequency AC rather than DC too. You don't want a hammerhead with uncontrolled drift!
Undoubtedly it will be tuned to pulses from muscles in prey, but that's still a hell of a front end, wonder what the bandwidth is, how it filters out noise and if there is a DC blinding effect?
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Re: Hammerhead shark as electrometer front end
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2021, 03:47:33 pm »
Don't know about 1nV per meter... but

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampullae_of_Lorenzini

"Sharks may be more sensitive to electric fields than any other animal, with a threshold of sensitivity as low as 5 nV/cm"
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Re: Hammerhead shark as electrometer front end
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2021, 05:53:30 pm »
Don't know about 1nV per meter... but

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampullae_of_Lorenzini

"Sharks may be more sensitive to electric fields than any other animal, with a threshold of sensitivity as low as 5 nV/cm"

From the link, it looks as if Hammerheads have Geomagnetic sensing too. Given that they already have inherent biological accelerometers and gyroscopes, the only thing they're missing is GPS!
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Re: Hammerhead shark as electrometer front end
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2021, 02:05:38 am »
The only way to be sure is to connect a 1.5V battery between Long Island Sound and the waters of Florida and see if it detects it.

Given the number of boats and ships around with sacrificial anodes, I think it would have a hell of a job.

I suspect that its response is low frequency AC rather than DC too. You don't want a hammerhead with uncontrolled drift!

I guess they used that comparison in order to demonstrate the orders of magnitude involved to a lay audience. But if you have seen a hammerhead shark hunting, it searches for prey hidden in the sand, maintaining its receptors at a distance of no more than 10cm above the sea bed. These sharks know how to avoid interference.

Don't know about 1nV per meter... but

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampullae_of_Lorenzini

"Sharks may be more sensitive to electric fields than any other animal, with a threshold of sensitivity as low as 5 nV/cm"


I think the OP's video got it wrong. They say 1nV/cm², however electric fields are expressed in V/m, not V/m². There's another video which claims that the receptors are capable of sensing 15nV of potential difference, regardless of distance.

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Re: Hammerhead shark as electrometer front end
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2021, 02:10:19 am »
That hammer head sure looks like an antenna or similar to me. this is pretty interesting. I am not a shark or even close. But I can sense small electric currents with my mouth.

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Re: Hammerhead shark as electrometer front end
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2021, 05:29:28 am »
. I am not a shark or even close. But I can sense small electric currents with my mouth.

This sounds impractical to me, if you try this at work.
 

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Re: Hammerhead shark as electrometer front end
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2021, 07:14:36 pm »
That hammer head sure looks like an antenna or similar to me. this is pretty interesting. I am not a shark or even close. But I can sense small electric currents with my mouth.
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