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Harmonised technical standards to be publicly available in EU
Zero999:
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--- Quote from: switchabl on March 05, 2024, 10:50:34 pm ---My understanding is that if the court had struck down copyright on the standards as well, then someone could go and publish them all by themselves tomorrow. The court decided not to rule on that question, so everyone has to request them individually for now or wait for the Commission to figure out their new system.
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I think its important that standards have tight copyright control. The last thing we want is people pushing out all sorts of doctored copies of these documents that can't be trusted. No copyright means no control.
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You do know it's possible for something to be made publicly available, for free, whilst also still under copyright?
5U4GB:
--- Quote from: tszaboo on March 05, 2024, 10:14:20 pm ---That's nice. I had to buy several standards over the past decade, and it's always a struggle to get management to pay for it. Sometimes its 300-500 EUR just for one standard, and then you might need several. And a year later they come out with an update, and it's a rewrite. Sometimes you have to buy it to be able to figure out which one is actually applicable to your case. Sometimes there are throwaway lines in one standard that reference another one, which you don't have, and buying a standard for one paragraph is... not good.
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This is why there's a vast informal exchange of draft standards conveniently leaked from standards committees. Even the standards committee members, the people whose unpaid labour created the standard, often don't have access to the final thing.
And by "draft" I don't mean version 0.01 but pretty much the final version just with a few formatting changes not yet done. I have way, waaay more draft standards than actual ones, for all of the reasons you give above. It's funny doing work for some mega-corporation and noticing that they're all working from printouts of drafts as well, this standardised stupidity affects everyone not just the less financially able.
5U4GB:
--- Quote from: coppice on March 05, 2024, 10:58:28 pm ---I think its important that standards have tight copyright control. The last thing we want is people pushing out all sorts of doctored copies of these documents that can't be trusted. No copyright means no control.
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This is standard excuse #1 from organisations like ISO.
As an argument it's about as persuasive as "everyone should learn latin because it structures the mind".
tom66:
--- Quote from: coppice on March 05, 2024, 10:58:28 pm ---
--- Quote from: switchabl on March 05, 2024, 10:50:34 pm ---My understanding is that if the court had struck down copyright on the standards as well, then someone could go and publish them all by themselves tomorrow. The court decided not to rule on that question, so everyone has to request them individually for now or wait for the Commission to figure out their new system.
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I think its important that standards have tight copyright control. The last thing we want is people pushing out all sorts of doctored copies of these documents that can't be trusted. No copyright means no control.
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Nothing stops you downloading the FREE standard from a website that is authentic though.
Sadly I can't imagine the argument that won this victory would work in the UK. British Standards are copyright BSi, and they are not the only legal way to implement something, but in many cases they are the only way that has been documented. If you do not follow a BS standard in your smoke detector and many perish in a fire where your system was installed, you will have to explain your decision to the twelve jurors, and convince them that you were a responsible engineer.
The mess of standards around smoke/fire detection systems is one reason I'm glad I don't work in that industry any more.
Someone:
--- Quote from: soldar on March 06, 2024, 09:45:40 am ---Suppose there is an argument in a forum between people who argue the law as written allows X and others say no, it explicitly disallows X ... but they cannot quote the law because it is copyright.
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We have that surprisingly often on this forum! Usually from people who "heard" it and cant even point to which standard (let alone clause) confirms it.
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