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Harmonised technical standards to be publicly available in EU

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coppice:

--- Quote from: 5U4GB on March 06, 2024, 10:00:39 am ---
--- Quote from: coppice on March 05, 2024, 10:58:28 pm ---I think its important that standards have tight copyright control. The last thing we want is people pushing out all sorts of doctored copies of these documents that can't be trusted. No copyright means no control.

--- End quote ---

This is standard excuse #1 from organisations like ISO. 

As an argument it's about as persuasive as "everyone should learn latin because it structures the mind".

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What a bogus argument. We have to comply with standards, or there are legal consequences. If you can't have some trust that the document you are using is an accurate copy of the current in force revision of the standard, how can you ever verify compliance? Do you want the country's laws subject to people tampering with the content without consequence? I'll add "this does not apply to coppice" to all of them, and make sure those revisions get widely distributed.

tom66:

--- Quote from: coppice on March 06, 2024, 11:16:14 am ---
--- Quote from: 5U4GB on March 06, 2024, 10:00:39 am ---
--- Quote from: coppice on March 05, 2024, 10:58:28 pm ---I think its important that standards have tight copyright control. The last thing we want is people pushing out all sorts of doctored copies of these documents that can't be trusted. No copyright means no control.

--- End quote ---

This is standard excuse #1 from organisations like ISO. 

As an argument it's about as persuasive as "everyone should learn latin because it structures the mind".

--- End quote ---
What a bogus argument. We have to comply with standards, or there are legal consequences. If you can't have some trust that the document you are using is an accurate copy of the current in force revision of the standard, how can you ever verify compliance? Do you want the country's laws subject to people tampering with the content without consequence? I'll add "this does not apply to coppice" to all of them, and make sure those revisions get widely distributed.

--- End quote ---

How does that prevent iso.org from releasing official standards for free?  If you want to be really cautious about it, they could even digitally sign the documents with their key so you can be certain the document is from ISO and not anyone else.

coppice:

--- Quote from: tom66 on March 06, 2024, 10:05:46 am ---British Standards are copyright BSi, and they are not the only legal way to implement something, but in many cases they are the only way that has been documented.

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Those copyrights are mostly bogus. They put their own copyright on a lot of stuff which is just imported from another standards group. People are really bad about this kind of thing. Google are real scum bags over taking other people's copyrights notices out of source code files, and inserting their own.

kosine:
British Standards (and possibly others) have always been publicly available for free at your local library. The caveat is/was that they arrived on microfiche so you couldn't copy them. Nothing to stop you writing down all the important bits, though. (Not sure how the system works these days. Does anyone even still use microfiche?)

coppice:

--- Quote from: tom66 on March 06, 2024, 11:17:59 am ---
--- Quote from: coppice on March 06, 2024, 11:16:14 am ---
--- Quote from: 5U4GB on March 06, 2024, 10:00:39 am ---
--- Quote from: coppice on March 05, 2024, 10:58:28 pm ---I think its important that standards have tight copyright control. The last thing we want is people pushing out all sorts of doctored copies of these documents that can't be trusted. No copyright means no control.

--- End quote ---

This is standard excuse #1 from organisations like ISO. 

As an argument it's about as persuasive as "everyone should learn latin because it structures the mind".

--- End quote ---
What a bogus argument. We have to comply with standards, or there are legal consequences. If you can't have some trust that the document you are using is an accurate copy of the current in force revision of the standard, how can you ever verify compliance? Do you want the country's laws subject to people tampering with the content without consequence? I'll add "this does not apply to coppice" to all of them, and make sure those revisions get widely distributed.

--- End quote ---

How does that prevent iso.org from releasing official standards for free?  If you want to be really cautious about it, they could even digitally sign the documents with their key so you can be certain the document is from ISO and not anyone else.

--- End quote ---
There might be a reasonable way of replacing copyright control with something like that, but one way or another you need to be able to trust the documents you are trying to comply with are genuine.

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