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Harmonised technical standards to be publicly available in EU
tszaboo:
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--- Quote from: coppice on March 06, 2024, 11:23:10 am ---Those copyrights are mostly bogus. They put their own copyright on a lot of stuff which is just imported from another standards group.
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I don't know about the copyright situation, but I have seen a BS document that was literally the ISO document with a BSI cover page. :D
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A huge number of ISO documents can be found published as national documents. Usually with something close to the ISO document number, with "BS", "EN", "GB", or other local identifier prepended.
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But often times it's not just a cover page. I have several examples, where there are extra parts in the "NEN-EN-" parts which overrides the part of the "-IEC" part with quite significant changes, that would make your product non compliant with the harmonized standards. So as the manufacturer, you still have to buy the national standards so these cases can be avoided. Because either you are incorrect in the EU DoC to be compliant with the "NEN-EN-IEC xxxx" standard, or in case you need to certify the product, the Notified Body would simply throw it back as non compliant with the national differences.
coppice:
--- Quote from: 5U4GB on March 06, 2024, 12:01:48 pm ---
--- Quote from: coppice on March 06, 2024, 11:16:14 am ---If you can't have some trust that the document you are using is an accurate copy of the current in force revision of the standard, how can you ever verify compliance? Do you want the country's laws subject to people tampering with the content without consequence?
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So you're saying that a country's laws, which have been available freely for centuries at least and have never had this problem, are somehow different from the standard for making a cup of tea, which the minute it's made freely available will have hordes of bogeymen descend on it and change the recipe and republish the doctored version because... well I don't know, it's such an illogical argument that you'll have to provide the reasoning because it's your (well, ISO's) argument, not mine.
Do you work for a standards body by any chance?
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That argument doesn't seem to make sense at all. You would need to expand on what you mean. Laws are normally published and controlled by a single body in any one jurisdiction. Various books may be used from teaching, but you always go back to a trustable copy of the law from the prime source for anything important. People are always trying to twist what laws mean, stretching things to the limit. The same is true with standards. Various books teach about, say, the EMC standards, but you can't trust those when testing. You need to work to the letter of the standard, and you need a trustworthy copy.
I'm someone who has had enough trouble with standards documents which turned out to be poorly identified drafts, or were not up to date, that I do not want additional trouble by not being able to trust a document was ever from the standards body.
coppice:
--- Quote from: tszaboo on March 06, 2024, 01:00:46 pm ---But often times it's not just a cover page. I have several examples, where there are extra parts in the "NEN-EN-" parts which overrides the part of the "-IEC" part with quite significant changes, that would make your product non compliant with the harmonized standards. So as the manufacturer, you still have to buy the national standards so these cases can be avoided. Because either you are incorrect in the EU DoC to be compliant with the "NEN-EN-IEC xxxx" standard, or in case you need to certify the product, the Notified Body would simply throw it back as non compliant with the national differences.
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I think a lot of those minor changes are specifically to force you to buy essentially the same document many times over to supply the global market. Sometimes they are genuine adaptations to local condition. Often they are little more than pointless changes you need to go through with a fine toothed comb, just to find they really don't matter.
Monkeh:
--- Quote from: coppice on March 06, 2024, 01:06:36 pm ---that I do not want additional trouble by not being able to trust a document was ever from the standards body.
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And when they're freely available directly from the standards body, that won't be an issue, now will it?
nctnico:
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on March 05, 2024, 10:29:04 pm ---If they become as "freely" available as EU directives (which are downloadable indeed, for free and without even a registration to anything required), then I'll call that a win.
Can't wait to see that.
Now elaborating those standards has a cost though, and making them completely free of charge (if that's the case) will imply shifting costs from companies (and the very, very few individuals who would otherwise have bought them) to tax payers. Just saying.
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The tax payer pay for it anyway as the cost of the standards is embedded in the product price.
Still, I think it is good that the standards we all must adhere to become more accessible.
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