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Title: Headphones that are over engineered, even for a bat ... just $55K
Post by: kfitch42 on November 04, 2015, 05:17:21 pm
Here on the EEVblog forum, mocking audiophoolery is a favorite passtime, and Sennheiser makes it easy:

* Tubes... CHECK!
* Ridiculous enclosure... CHECK!
* Specs way beyond meaningfulness (8Hz to 100KHz)... CHECK!
* Exorbitant pricetag ($55K)... CHECK!

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/11/sennheiser-unveils-40000-marble-clad-valve-amp-orpheus-headphones/ (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/11/sennheiser-unveils-40000-marble-clad-valve-amp-orpheus-headphones/)

P.S. Most bats use frequencies below ~80KHz: http://www.staffordshirebats.btck.co.uk/Information/Frequencies (http://www.staffordshirebats.btck.co.uk/Information/Frequencies)
Title: Re: Headphones that are over engineered, even for a bat ... just $55K
Post by: fivefish on November 04, 2015, 05:24:50 pm
Dont you know? Audiphools have golden ears.
Title: Re: Headphones that are over engineered, even for a bat ... just $55K
Post by: Delta on November 04, 2015, 05:26:53 pm
Arse Technica?  They got that right!

I'm willing to give this one the benefit of the doubt as a pure publicity stunt - Sennheiser are a well regarded company in the professional audio market, not some audiophool woo merchant.  (Well they used to be at least...)
Title: Re: Headphones that are over engineered, even for a bat ... just $55K
Post by: rsjsouza on November 04, 2015, 05:29:00 pm
Close to the end of the article, there is a sign of "impurity": :)
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"The amp inside the cans is all solid-state, making use of MOSFET transistors."
Title: Re: Headphones that are over engineered, even for a bat ... just $55K
Post by: Delta on November 04, 2015, 05:31:32 pm
So the headphones themselves have "an alleged total harmonic distortion of just 0.01 percent", then they're driving them with a valve amp...  :palm:
Title: Re: Headphones that are over engineered, even for a bat ... just $55K
Post by: Lightages on November 04, 2015, 05:38:11 pm
There is something to be said for having a bandwidth wider than that needed. It allows the needed bandwidth to have a possibly flatter phase error. But to use tubes is just audiophool wank.
Title: Re: Headphones that are over engineered, even for a bat ... just $55K
Post by: hayatepilot on November 04, 2015, 06:23:03 pm
Every headphone goes from 8Hz to 100kHz. It doesn't say nothing about the amplitude.  ;)
This spec is completely wothless.  :-DD
Title: Re: Headphones that are over engineered, even for a bat ... just $55K
Post by: Gyro on November 05, 2015, 10:01:47 am
You missed the...

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Oh, and when you turn the Orpheus on, the controls and vacuum tubes rise out from the marble base, and a protective glass cover opens up to reveal the headphones.

That's got to be worth $10k on it's own!  8)
Title: Re: Headphones that are over engineered, even for a bat ... just $55K
Post by: krivx on November 05, 2015, 10:14:56 am
So the headphones themselves have "an alleged total harmonic distortion of just 0.01 percent", then they're driving them with a valve amp...  :palm:

Very linear valve amplifiers exist: http://www.burwenaudio.com/Krohn-Hite_UF-101.pdf (http://www.burwenaudio.com/Krohn-Hite_UF-101.pdf)
Title: Re: Headphones that are over engineered, even for a bat ... just $55K
Post by: crispy_tofu on November 05, 2015, 11:22:59 am
But why?  :wtf:
Title: Re: Headphones that are over engineered, even for a bat ... just $55K
Post by: hayatepilot on November 05, 2015, 12:30:07 pm
Because there are people with too much money.
Title: Re: Headphones that are over engineered, even for a bat ... just $55K
Post by: PA0PBZ on November 05, 2015, 12:54:01 pm
Tubes look fake, with a red LED just under the base.
Title: Re: Headphones that are over engineered, even for a bat ... just $55K
Post by: daqq on November 05, 2015, 03:21:15 pm
I guess they are for Batman?
Title: Re: Headphones that are over engineered, even for a bat ... just $55K
Post by: MarkL on November 05, 2015, 04:38:37 pm
And don't miss the reference in the article to the audiophile Ethernet cables made by these people:

  http://www.audioquest.com/ethernet/vodka (http://www.audioquest.com/ethernet/vodka)

From the above web site:
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DIRECTIONALITY: All audio cables are directional. The correct direction is determined by listening to every batch of metal conductors used in every AudioQuest audio cable. Arrows are clearly marked on the connectors to ensure superior sound quality. For best results have the arrow pointing in the direction of the flow of music. For example, NAS to Router, Router to Network Player.
...
Title: Re: Headphones that are over engineered, even for a bat ... just $55K
Post by: wreeve on November 05, 2015, 10:02:56 pm
The connectors on the end of those Ethernet cables look really nice to be honest! I wonder if you can get normal cables with such ends! A lot of my cables have the little retention thing snapped off!
Title: Re: Headphones that are over engineered, even for a bat ... just $55K
Post by: DrGeoff on November 05, 2015, 10:15:12 pm
I guess they are for Batman?

I was thinking more like something from a 1970's Bond film...
Title: Re: Headphones that are over engineered, even for a bat ... just $55K
Post by: ajb on November 05, 2015, 10:59:28 pm
The connectors on the end of those Ethernet cables look really nice to be honest! I wonder if you can get normal cables with such ends! A lot of my cables have the little retention thing snapped off!

http://www.telegaertner.com/en/info/highlights/mfp8/straight-version/ (http://www.telegaertner.com/en/info/highlights/mfp8/straight-version/)

RS have them in stock, less than 10 Euro each if you by them 25 at a time!
Title: Re: Headphones that are over engineered, even for a bat ... just $55K
Post by: Halvmand on November 06, 2015, 12:28:30 am
The connectors on the end of those Ethernet cables look really nice to be honest! I wonder if you can get normal cables with such ends! A lot of my cables have the little retention thing snapped off!

http://www.telegaertner.com/en/info/highlights/mfp8/straight-version/ (http://www.telegaertner.com/en/info/highlights/mfp8/straight-version/)

RS have them in stock, less than 10 Euro each if you by them 25 at a time!

You're right. You maybe saw it in this teardown? I did. For the ones that are curious about what it looks like on the inside, the teardown is here: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/gallery-we-tear-apart-a-340-audiophile-ethernet-cable-and-look-inside/ (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/gallery-we-tear-apart-a-340-audiophile-ethernet-cable-and-look-inside/)
Title: Re: Headphones that are over engineered, even for a bat ... just $55K
Post by: SteveyG on November 06, 2015, 08:28:18 am
I certainly wouldn't say no to those.
Title: Re: Headphones that are over engineered, even for a bat ... just $55K
Post by: FrankBuss on November 27, 2015, 08:52:00 pm
Nice. Dave should buy one and do a teardown of the amplifier :)