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| heartbroken that John Clauser seems to have joined climate change denial. |
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| .RC.:
I think at the end of the day what we think is not going to make a difference. There are billions of people living in conditions that most here would not accept. There people are more worried about their next meal then emissions. Whether we like it or not fossil fuels are a low technology way they can improve their lives. First world countries may choose not to sell it to them, but plenty of other countries will sell it and it will get burned and the emissions will increase. There is not enough copper in the world so everyone can have the same standard of living. Again so fossil fuels will continue to be burnt. Aluminium can be used for lower efficiency but it takes lots of energy to get clean metal from ore. I think the majority of people in first world countries do live in a bubble world and do not tend to think too much. Of course all this is but a simulation anyway, so there really is no such thing as emissions, or even planet earth for that matter, or other people. |
| BrokenYugo:
Like every scam and conspiracy theory (which are themselves often just cover for scams), there is a built in intelligence test to weed out those who will see through it. Being smart in one area does not make one moral, or smart in other areas, if anything it seems to go the other way, especially for the latter. It's one of those things about society you just have to compartmentalize and ignore, or make your whole life about fighting it. Some people do nutty, degrading, things for money and attention, ignorance is celebrated, etc. |
| tszaboo:
Lot's of mart people join these climate causes. Why? It might not even be because of the science. Let's say you agree, that man made climate change is happening. Even then, the policies and the solutions provided today are moronic. They don't address the problem. They lead to a worse quality of life. They are downright malicious and nefarious, with some groups calling for the extermination of hundreds of millions of people, so called "depopulation" (I just threw up a bit). My bank sent me a new card, from recycled plastic. Great, all that 10g plastic saved. The shop I buy food, replaced plastic packaging with plastic lined paper. It's worse in quality, often times opened already on the shelves, spoiled food, and impossible to recycle because it's a composite. They ban petrol cars, while a plug-in hybrid can save 90% of the petrol usage, and costs half as much. And they force electric cars, while spending 1/10th of the price of that isolating old buildings saving orders of magnitude more energy. It's all greenwashing, and the policies are made by idiots who are virtue signalling without actually solving the problem. Or even making it much worse. Oh, and of course if you question all this than you are immediately a nazi. |
| tautech:
--- Quote from: RoGeorge on August 01, 2023, 06:25:54 am --- --- Quote from: snarkysparky on August 01, 2023, 02:18:44 am ---I don't understand. --- End quote --- Because you have been mind conditioned, and guilt-tripped based on cherry-picked information, such that now you take emotional damage when somebody begs to differ from the mainstream doctrine, and you take attitude based on propaganda only. Maybe your guy (never heard of him) smelled bullish, that's why. CO2 is about politics and economic control, and taxes. It's about money and power. If you look at a different time scale, you'll find a different picture. You'll find there is no scientific certitude (as mainstream media claims to be), and no hard evidence humans can influence climate, certainly not with CO2 taxes. Climate "facts" and climate politics claim to be based on science, in reality they are based on ignorance, and on playing with people's emotions. --- End quote --- Really refreshing to know others can see straight through the BS. :-+ :clap: |
| snarkysparky:
Well, I didn't expect these answers. I thought this group was more reasonable. I guess i do buy into the BS. CO2 warming is absolutely a thing. And the occurrence of record extreme weather around the world just happens to be a coincidence? I don't think so. The group he has joined is clearly NOTHING but a political org that is attacking climate science not with actual science but propaganda. Why is there no actual real science for them to use to persuade that there is no crisis. That's all I have to say. |
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