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| Zero999:
--- Quote from: tom66 on August 04, 2023, 09:43:19 am ---This can be seen in UK data. Look at the deaths following the vaccination programme which reached everyone following June 2021. That's right when you'd expect another wave... yet it didn't come. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=nation&areaName=England Vaccination data (bottom chart showing cumulative count): https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations?areaType=nation&areaName=England about 50 million doses had been given by that point which was every vulnerable person having 1st + 2nd jab and many starting their 1st jab. From early 2022 onwards no COVID restrictions applied any more. The vaccine stopped the virus. --- End quote --- The data you've posted doesn't prove the vaccines stopped transmission, only made the disease less severe, by reducing deaths, but even then there are confounding factors. The death rate was high during the first two waves, the original variant and alpha. Delta occurred in summer, when transmission of respiratory viruses is lower anyway, then Omicron came along, which still spread irrespective of the vaccines, but wasn't anywhere near as pathogenic, as it tended to cause more upper airway infection, rather than getting into the lungs, which was probably also why it spread more easily. --- Quote from: PlainName on August 04, 2023, 03:54:47 pm ---Doesn't work with Y2K problems, which covid was. Scientists could figure out something and make a prediction, and then because people are dying (and/or potentially dying) those predictions are used to mitigate the effects. So the predictions turn on to be wrong because they've been used to manipulate the results and the scientists (and their models) get poo-poo'd. --- End quote --- That's incorrect because not all countries did the same. Some didn't do much to limit the spread, yet didn't do as badly as some of those who did. --- Quote from: mendip_discovery on August 04, 2023, 04:15:16 pm --- --- Quote from: bsfeechannel on August 04, 2023, 03:57:52 pm --- --- Quote from: Zero999 on August 04, 2023, 07:56:26 am ---Science failled during and after the pandemic. The measures taken were not evidence based. There wasn't any evidence masks, or keeping 2m appart from one another, prevented transmission of respiratory viruses. No one proved closing schools and bussinesses wouldn't do more harm in the long run, than good. There wasn't any proof of a risk vs benefit for many taking the vaccine, especially those with natural immunity. At best it just delays reinfection for awhile, but the risk of getting sick from reinfection is tiny, quite possibly lower than that of the vaccine. --- End quote --- So people expected a miracle but instead what came out of the lab were advancements, setbacks, hunches, guesses, theories but an overall improved understanding of the pandemic, how these viruses spread, infect, debilitate and kill, uh you know, science as usual. --- End quote --- Jeepers (not the actual word I used). This crap again. Something happened that was expected but due to lots of unknowns, it's almost impossible to define a clear system to protect everyone. Then when the turd hit the fan the ones in charge suddenly had people asking them WTF do we do. They in turn looked at the clever people and said what can I tell them otherwise the press will murder me and the public will hate me forever. So the clever people came up with basic simple things that might reduce a repeat of historic events that have happened before all without having a full understanding of the bad thing that was happening. These clever people are used to spending months/years studying stuff and aren't used to giving quick answers with limited data. I often what would have happened if high up did nothing and the world just carried on like normal, who would be held to blame for all the excess deaths. What I want to know from the pandemic is what steps are being taken to prevent another one, I really am not looking forward to another one of these because the next one might kill me. --- End quote --- The problem is there were a lot of clever people, with different ideas of what to do. Some thought restricting all social contact to a minimum was the correct way to go about it. Other clever people were worried that social isolation, the cancellation of medical appointments, business and school closures and the resulting economic downturn would cost more lives, than they would save. Many governments only listened to those who were in support of lockdowns and actively censored those who didn't. |
| coppice:
--- Quote from: tautech on August 04, 2023, 01:32:17 am ---Proper real vaccines prevent transmission. --- End quote --- Some do, some don't. It depends how transmission occurs for the particular disease. For many respiratory diseases spreading occurs mostly from the sinus tracts, outside the body's main barrier. Natural infection tends to build immunity separately on both sides of that barrier. Injecting things directly into the body doesn't trigger training of the immune system in the sinuses, outside the barrier. So, it won't train your system to reduce transmission. This is a well known issue with things like flu vaccines. It should have been known to any expert pontificating on how a COVID vaccine would stop transmission, which it was unlikely to do from day one, and less and less likely as the disease was understood. They specifically did NO testing for transmission prevention during the approval of the mRNA vaccines, even though this was the stated high priority reason for developing them. It was a bait and switch. Its worth noting that the mRNA vaccines are not vaccines in any traditional sense. The mRNA causes your body to produce the actual vaccine, which the immune system then trains on. The amount of vaccine your body actually produces is very poorly controlled. |
| nctnico:
--- Quote from: mendip_discovery on August 04, 2023, 04:15:16 pm ---What I want to know from the pandemic is what steps are being taken to prevent another one, I really am not looking forward to another one of these because the next one might kill me. --- End quote --- Nothing and don't worry. History has shown these world scale pandemic events repeat every 100 years. Or 3 generations. And this also circles back to the topic: nowadays almost every extreme weather event is chalked up to climate change while extreme weather has existed longer than people can record such events. We have to be really carefull not to be talked into some kind of doomsday that will happen next week. For this reason the Netherlands specifies protection against extreme weather / water levels as (statistically) once in several thousand year events. |
| Wallace Gasiewicz:
coppice is correct: MRNA vaccines are different, it is true that they might cause one person to make more antigen than another person. It is also noteworthy that there are no published standards of the concentrations of various agents in the vaccine. At least I have not been able to find any.Some folks think that the concentration of the active agents varied greatly with some batches being nearly zero.Every other vaccine has some standardization. Some vaccines do give immunity to infection and thus there is no transmission. Other vaccines give protective effect to the infection. This will not prevent transmission. There were some vaccines that actually accentuated the disease and made more people die. We were told repeatedly that the COVID vaccine would stop transmission of the disease. This was and is an obvious lie and brings into question anything that the medical government complex tells us. Everything after a lie becomes a "coverup" even if it is a true statement. It is almost impossible to regain trust after such a claim. |
| PlainName:
--- Quote ---once in several thousand year events --- End quote --- How do you determine that a couple, or three, instances of a thousand year event in reasonably close succession hasn't turned it into a 500 year event (or worse)? Or has? Could just be a 10K-year event that triggered it. |
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