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heartbroken that John Clauser seems to have joined climate change denial.
nctnico:
--- Quote from: Wallace Gasiewicz on August 04, 2023, 07:46:34 pm ---We were told repeatedly that the COVID vaccine would stop transmission of the disease. This was and is an obvious lie and brings into question anything that the medical government complex tells us.
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No, you misunderstood. Vaccinated people get less sick, produce less 'carriers' and in this way the transmission is reduced (which in the end stops spreading Covid).
Wallace Gasiewicz:
No, I did not "misunderstand" that's what they said.
tom66:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on August 04, 2023, 06:41:38 pm ---
--- Quote from: tom66 on August 04, 2023, 09:43:19 am ---This can be seen in UK data.
Look at the deaths following the vaccination programme which reached everyone following June 2021. That's right when you'd expect another wave... yet it didn't come.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=nation&areaName=England
Vaccination data (bottom chart showing cumulative count):
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations?areaType=nation&areaName=England
about 50 million doses had been given by that point which was every vulnerable person having 1st + 2nd jab and many starting their 1st jab. From early 2022 onwards no COVID restrictions applied any more. The vaccine stopped the virus.
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The data you've posted doesn't prove the vaccines stopped transmission, only made the disease less severe, by reducing deaths, but even then there are confounding factors.
The death rate was high during the first two waves, the original variant and alpha. Delta occurred in summer, when transmission of respiratory viruses is lower anyway, then Omicron came along, which still spread irrespective of the vaccines, but wasn't anywhere near as pathogenic, as it tended to cause more upper airway infection, rather than getting into the lungs, which was probably also why it spread more easily.
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To be clear, I mean slight hyperbole with the phrase "the vaccine stopped the virus", but appreciate that my tone is hard to convey by text. It reduced transmission, by quite a significant amount. And I believe most healthcare professionals had a similar opinion. It's a bit like lockdowns didn't stop transmission but they sure did reduce it.
There are published studies, like the one I linked, showing around a 65% reduction in disease severity with Omicron. The Omicron mutation likely came about in part due to vaccine pressure. We can say it's partially fortunate that the virus mutated into a less serious variant but by inhibiting its main entry into cells we strongly pushed the selection pressure in this direction.
Side note - It is debatable whether it was justifiable to vaccinate all age groups. However, given the early information available, it was probably the right choice. Now what we know is that the vaccines don't directly prevent transmission and only slightly reduce severity in mild/asymptomatic cases (with asymptomatic transmission being widely disputed), it probably swings the other way.
AndyBeez:
How to stop climate change?
On behalf of the nations who are about to be drowned under an apocalyptic tsunami of boiling sea water, we demand the world's leaders meet in a luxury five star resort. Where, they spend two intensive weeks figuring our which luxury five star resort they are going to visit next. This event must be held every year and should be run under the auspice of the United Nations. And even when climate change is defeated, they must continue to meet, just in case it comes back again.
Beating the ass of climate change is a piece of piss. No need for stopping oil, deep coal mining or gas fracking, instead we appoint an entourage of bureaucrats to piss our money into the ocean, so they can stop sea level rise.
Next port of call on the floating gravy boat of wealth, privilege and self-entitlement, Dubai and the hyper rich oil states of the UAE.
It's planet A for you, One World for them : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_United_Nations_Climate_Change_Conference
+ Always thoroughly greenwash your hands before handling climate change funding.
nctnico:
--- Quote from: Wallace Gasiewicz on August 04, 2023, 07:56:51 pm ---No, I did not "misunderstand" that's what they said.
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And what 'they' said is true but not in the way you understood it.
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