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heartbroken that John Clauser seems to have joined climate change denial.

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tautech:

--- Quote from: AndyBeez on August 04, 2023, 09:05:20 pm ---How to stop climate change?

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You can't !
All we can do is properly determine how much man might have an impact on it with robust science that includes any/all factors that might impact it.

Like others, I'm unconvinced we have a problem the earth itself can't sort out.

SiliconWizard:
Yes, the oceans are boiling. Maybe we can cook some pasta.

coppice:

--- Quote from: nctnico on August 04, 2023, 07:54:29 pm ---
--- Quote from: Wallace Gasiewicz on August 04, 2023, 07:46:34 pm ---We were told repeatedly that the COVID vaccine would stop transmission of the disease.  This was and is an obvious lie and brings into question anything that the medical government complex tells us.

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No, you misunderstood. Vaccinated people get less sick, produce less 'carriers' and in this way the transmission is reduced (which in the end stops spreading Covid).

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This only works for a sterilising vaccine. We don't have those for COVID, or for most of the other diseases which transmit from the sinus cavity. There is no evidence of a measurable reduction of transmission with the weakly effective COVID vaccines.

tom66:

--- Quote from: coppice on August 04, 2023, 09:44:05 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on August 04, 2023, 07:54:29 pm ---
--- Quote from: Wallace Gasiewicz on August 04, 2023, 07:46:34 pm ---We were told repeatedly that the COVID vaccine would stop transmission of the disease.  This was and is an obvious lie and brings into question anything that the medical government complex tells us.

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No, you misunderstood. Vaccinated people get less sick, produce less 'carriers' and in this way the transmission is reduced (which in the end stops spreading Covid).

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This only works for a sterilising vaccine. We don't have those for COVID, or for most of the other diseases which transmit from the sinus cavity. There is no evidence of a measurable reduction of transmission with the weakly effective COVID vaccines.

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I don't know why so many people misunderstand the concept.

Yes, having a vaccine for COVID does not appear to reduce transmissibility of the virus directly when sick.

However if the vaccine means you get less sick and therefore produce less viral load, you will transmit the virus less, when you look across a whole population.  And there is ample evidence for this - both at the population level and in numerous studies on the various vaccines.

Buriedcode:
Ahh the Nobel Disease https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nobel_disease strikes again.  I'm still unsure how much of it is success leading to arrogance, or just age - generally as people get older they accumulate memories of all the times they were right, but forget how often they were wrong so we all get quite stubborn in our old age, in the face of uncomfortable facts .

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