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heartbroken that John Clauser seems to have joined climate change denial.
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PlainName:

--- Quote ---In the Netherlands there was an evening clock between 21.00 and 04.30. Nobody from the scientific community said, hey, a virus cannot watch clocks. Why these strange cutoff times?
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One of the problems with covid arguments is that solutions must be either 100% effective or 0%, but in reality being just 20% would be an improvement. It just means the risk is different, and if you can reduce risk then why not? Do you stop going shopping at all, or do you not give a toss and live in the supermarket? Surely minimising how often you go is a better solution that either extreme.


--- Quote ---It was (immediately) clear from the hospital admission data that the rule had no effect
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It would take at least 2 weeks for any effect to begin to show, so perhaps you might want to define 'immediately' so it's a bit more believable.
welterde:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 05, 2023, 06:43:51 am ---And that's even factoring in how many times the models have failed before. Heck, in the 1970's the climate science said we were headed for another ice age!
Rinse and repeat. There are memes going around that show how many times the climate science and predictions have been dead wrong over the decades.
They even trotted out Spock himself to tell us all about it:

Oh, but it's different this time, right?

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Science progresses one mistake at a time.
But to say that the scientific consensus back in the 1970s was there would be global cooling is just not true: literature review article.
There were more papers published about neutral temperatures or warming than cooling.
You have to keep in mind that the media and science are two separate things and science reporting gets things wrong all the time.

Maybe you also remember the leaked internal studies from ExxonMobil from the 1970/1980s: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abk0063, which came to the same conclusion about warming, but were not published for obvious reason. And at least their predictions are not too far off from what we see today.

At this point it is hard to deny that the global temperatures are rising: https://essd.copernicus.org/articles/15/2295/2023/essd-15-2295-2023.pdf (for more up-to-date values: https://berkeleyearth.org/june-2023-temperature-update/).
This is not only seen in the observed temperature, but also from the effective radiative forcing.
All the different forcings are being investigated (https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/ar4-wg1-chapter2-1.pdf), so that we are just missing some large forcing that can explain the temperature rise some other way is rather unlikely at this point.
AndyBeez:
In the west we have a press that is almost hard coded into reporting weather events as evidential proof of, insert quote, "man made climate change". Heatwaves in South East Asia and the Mediterranean, cold weather across Canada, dust storms in Australia, high winds in India and persistent rain in Britain. All evidence that means, insert quote, "we need to cut carbon emissions before it is too late."

It is this 'opinion management' which (mis)leads otherwise sane and rational people to demand our leaders act now. And they will. By manufacturing policy documents, fact finding in the Maldives and inventing bullshit taxes. And the people with the placards blocking our streets will, insert quote, "be worried this is too little too late." And demand, insert quote, "our politicians go a lot further before it is too late."

You might note that climate protesters never protest outside the Chinese or Russian embassies. Foĺlow the money? Just saying as it seems that once principled green groups and human rights organisations have been hijacked by the climate change agendaists.

Me? Climate change denier no. I've been an amateur meteorologist since before school age. Sceptical of climate science influenced by anti Western left wing agenda politics, you bet.

The solution to climate change, habitat protection and species endangerment is responsinle planning and good engineering. But all we have right now is a puppet media, screaming children and bad politicians cashing in on the hysteria.
Gyro:
Meanwhile, the factual global sea temperature average is exceeding records by a significant margin for this time of year and the El Niño event is barely even be starting before the end of the year. Next year could be a fun one...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-66387537


Deniers can argue all they like against climate change, but somebody had better bloody well fix it.  :popcorn:


Edit: From the BBC report:
tautech:

--- Quote from: AndyBeez on August 05, 2023, 09:32:31 am ---In the west we have a press that is almost hard coded into reporting weather events as evidential proof of, insert quote, "man made climate change". Heatwaves in South East Asia and the Mediterranean, cold weather across Canada, dust storms in Australia, high winds in India and persistent rain in Britain. All evidence that means, insert quote, "we need to cut carbon emissions before it is too late."

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Yet from the Climate of Fear document I linked above:
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That creates an overwhelming impression that the weather is getting more extreme – an impression that you will shortly see may not only be wrong, but the reverse: in New Zealand, at least, there’s evidence that we suffered more so-called 1-in-100 year storms/floods in the 1800s (when CO2 was only around 285ppm) than now (413ppm).

While it is just one study it still indicates proper analysis of historical weather analysis can prove storms were more common (here in NZ) when CO2 levels were half of what they are now.
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