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--- Quote from: PlainName on August 05, 2023, 09:03:15 am ---One of the problems with covid arguments is that solutions must be either 100% effective or 0%, but in reality being just 20% would be an improvement. It just means the risk is different, and if you can reduce risk then why not? Do you stop going shopping at all, or do you not give a toss and live in the supermarket? Surely minimising how often you go is a better solution that either extreme. --- End quote --- For ordinary measures I agree. But this measure had no legal basis. In the Netherlands a special (temporary) law had to be created. In fact we even had two different law adaptions. The science community did not stand up, a group of civilians did stand up (and they got the misnomer conspiracy people). A judge (imho rightly) declared the measure unlawful because it was done in a too hasty way and had a too great impact on the citizens. Only in an acute emergency situation such an emergency measure for a very short time can be executed. The state made an appeal the same day after the judge ruled and, without any proof had the statement it was necessary. If you grant the political system to add exceptions to rights, what you will get is that they will create exceptions. --- Quote from: PlainName on August 05, 2023, 09:03:15 am ---It was (immediately) clear from the hospital admission data that the rule had no effect It would take at least 2 weeks for any effect to begin to show, so perhaps you might want to define 'immediately' so it's a bit more believable. --- End quote --- Nope in Amsterdam there was a test with cameras in order to see how busy the streets were. And guess what: no real difference. Together with the evening clock a whole range of other measures were taken. You cannot attribute the effect only to this very harsh measure. In the Netherlands, we had a red team and a the so-called OMT (the official body to give advice to the government) both had their doubts before introducing the measure and they are proved to be right. |
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And where are the scientist speaking up now we have concrete data of not warming up/decrease of ice? When is the science community standing up because we have data that prove that solar panels are increasing CO2 levels? Where is the scientific community stating to all government officials: it is not true that the world is on fire. Why aren't universities going to the press every day stating: stop the fear-mongering, read this lancelet article.? Why are the words from critical scientists (e.g. Freeman Dyson: (regarding IPCC climate models) I just think they don't understand the climate their models are full of fudge factors) not on an equal par in the climate discussions? Why is the scientific community not explaining to the public that the colouring of the images like those below is based on different temperatures (2019 one day, 2009 average for the upcoming three days)? Why don't they reduce the fear-mongering? Answer: they get money out of it. (and in case you can understand German, the weather news from 2009 is here it is colored orange. |
| Wallace Gasiewicz:
Quote from: nctnico on Today at 07:53:32 am>Quote from: tom66 on Yesterday at 10:02:49 pm>Quote from: coppice on Yesterday at 09:44:05 pm>Quote from: nctnico on Yesterday at 07:54:29 pm>Quote from: Wallace Gasiewicz on Yesterday at 07:46:34 pm We were told repeatedly that the COVID vaccine would stop transmission of the disease. This was and is an obvious lie and brings into question anything that the medical government complex tells us. --- End quote --- No, you misunderstood. Vaccinated people get less sick, produce less 'carriers' and in this way the transmission is reduced (which in the end stops spreading Covid). This only works for a sterilising vaccine. We don't have those for COVID, or for most of the other diseases which transmit from the sinus cavity. There is no evidence of a measurable reduction of transmission with the weakly effective COVID vaccines. I don't know why so many people misunderstand the concept. Likely it is due to the spread of mis-information. Scientifically you can say the vaccines don't stop spreading the virus. This makes some people jump to the conclusion (or just parrotting) that the vaccines are useless. But if vaccines are useless, then we would still have problems with polio and measles which spread the same way as Covid does. But we don't because a significant portion of the population has been vaccinated to achieve herd immunity. And this herd immunity needs to be maintained. How about the recent wave of Polio in Africa, the one that immunization was supposed to quell? The one that is traced to the vaccine itself??? The Oral Polio Vaccine was stopped in most countries because of this risk, which we have known about for at least 50 years. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/sep/02/vaccine-derived-polio-spreads-in-africa-after-defeat-of-wild-virus Vaccines are not without risks, now we have an outcome that is potentially worse than the initial disease. Polio is transmitted orally- fecal route. Measles is transmitted thru respiratory secretions. COVID is probably transmitted thru respiratory secretions although fecal route is also possible. This may be important. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41575-020-0295-7 It may also give us a new use for those protective surgical masks: Please get your transmission line theory in order. |
| AndyBeez:
Damn, no wonder those masks are disposable! For those discussing covid, the virus was already in circulation in Europe by November 2019. It was just called a 'winter respiratory virus'. And as such, no balls were dropped. --- Quote from: tautech on August 05, 2023, 09:47:20 am ---While it is just one study it still indicates proper analysis of historical weather analysis can prove storms were more common (here in NZ) when CO2 levels were half of what they are now. --- End quote --- I was told by a Kiwi that the Scotts settled in Dunedin because it always rains and the sun never shines. It reminded them of home. Climate is what you expect but weather is what you get. UK weather today: A 'named' storm brings heavy precipitation and gales to the south. So it is time to insert another media quote. “A hotter world means extreme weather events will become more common place.” Everyone else here calls it a typical sh1t English summer. Like those in Dunedin? At least the bad weather will keep the climate protesters indoors. Some other quotes for insertion are these gems: "Climate scientists predict global temperatures will rise to levels not seen since the Roman period." Another, "Greenland temperatures have not been this high since the Viking settlements." I am not even going to ask you to join those dots because you are smart guys and here on the EEVBlog. Ordinary people though, take what ever the media spoon is feeding to them. So if it sounds catastrophic, it must be. On the subject of climate data, below (and freakishly big) is a map of global temperatures from 1850 thru 2017, expressed as, “Warming stripes”. Note the red zone to the right, which demonstrates the rise in global temperatures. So the middle and left? Blue means cooler? Take a look at the other stripe series on the blog https://www.climate-lab-book.ac.uk/2018/warming-stripes/ I wonder what the public’s perception of these maps would be if we used the astrophysics colour convention whereby blue was hot and red was cool? Insert quote again, “the people are demanding climate action.” Are we? New word for 2023 and the Trump campaign :Green lash --- Quote ---Annual global temperatures from 1850-2017 - by Ed Hawkins, Climate scientist at the UK’s National Centre for Atmospheric Science (NCAS University of Reading) https://www.climate-lab-book.ac.uk/2018/warming-stripes/ --- End quote --- |
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--- Quote from: Wallace Gasiewicz on August 05, 2023, 11:28:30 am --- I don't know why so many people misunderstand the concept. Likely it is due to the spread of mis-information. Scientifically you can say the vaccines don't stop spreading the virus. This makes some people jump to the conclusion (or just parrotting) that the vaccines ... --- End quote --- Nope, the scientific community let politics get away with this statement. In the Netherlands politicians stated clearly : take the vaccine it will stop the spread. The scientific institute didn't counteract this. And by not counteracting, the people distrust both politicians and scientists. And they have all the right to do so. |
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