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heartbroken that John Clauser seems to have joined climate change denial.

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RAPo:

--- Quote from: PlainName on August 05, 2023, 01:11:34 pm ---Er.. you've completely lost me. What effect did this evening clock (whatever that was) have, or meant to have? I assumed it would be a change in people turning up in hospital due to covid symptoms, but your comment above seems to note that places didn't get less busy and there is nothing whatever about covid symptoms. Perhaps you could clarify since your original (quoted here) suggests the former, which is the context for my comment:

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The proposed statement was:  "less people will meet each other, in that way stop spreading the corona virus and shorten the lockdown"
Indeed in Amsterdam the cameras showed evidence that there was almost no effect on the streets.
The rule was effective on 23 January 2021 and lasted till 28 april 2021 04.30 . They expected a reduction of  9% à 10%.
Look for yourself the data (under the heading "Opnames door de tijd heen") on hospital admissions in these days. This data was available on a daily basis.

Well politicians are affected by choices from the voters. The scientific community not. And this non action described results now in a situation where people don't trust vaccines anymore even in the case one should consider safe.

Wallace Gasiewicz:
The Minimum Infective Dose of human viral diseases appears to be quite low and it would not be easy to get his low. The MID 50 is defined as the amount of inoculum necessary to cause disease in 50% of the exposed population.
In other words it is extremely likely that any exposure to these viruses is WAY higher than the MID 50.   
The infectivity of bacteria varies and sometimes a LOT of bacteria are necessary to cause infection.  This is not to say you are entirely safe with a low dose of a pathogen.
If you wish to gain extra credit for your PHD  (piled higher and deeper) {apologies to those with the Phd degree} here is an article to keep you busy for quite a while. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7090536/

PlainName:

--- Quote from: RAPo on August 05, 2023, 01:30:09 pm ---My post was about the (non-)reaction from the scientific community, not about the choice of politicians.

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Makes no difference. The links you gave (DailyMail!) are all arguable, probably have been argued, and all you're after is someone that will shout your view the loudest. For instance, the last URL about non-warming in Antartica doesn't have to mean global warming isn't happening - you're making the mistake that climate change means everywhere will see an increase in temperature whereas in fact is means that some places will cool because of changing climate patterns. The Japanese station may be one such, but who knows? You've read about the place - it is not secret!

PlainName:

--- Quote from: RAPo on August 05, 2023, 01:54:05 pm ---
--- Quote from: PlainName on August 05, 2023, 01:11:34 pm ---Er.. you've completely lost me. What effect did this evening clock (whatever that was) have, or meant to have? I assumed it would be a change in people turning up in hospital due to covid symptoms, but your comment above seems to note that places didn't get less busy and there is nothing whatever about covid symptoms. Perhaps you could clarify since your original (quoted here) suggests the former, which is the context for my comment:

--- End quote ---
The proposed statement was:  "less people will meet each other, in that way stop spreading the corona virus and shorten the lockdown"
Indeed in Amsterdam the cameras showed evidence that there was almost no effect on the streets.
The rule was effective on 23 January 2021 and lasted till 28 april 2021 04.30 . They expected a reduction of  9% à 10%.
Look for yourself the data (under the heading "Opnames door de tijd heen") on hospital admissions in these days. This data was available on a daily basis.

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OK, well what I get from that is people ignored the demand and there was no change in hospital data BECAUSE people ignored the demand. All it's pointing out is that people can be dicks and in the face of that nothing changes. It's not news and the same happens in other fields. See MAGA/Trump, for instance.


--- Quote ---Well politicians are affected by choices from the voters. The scientific community not. And this non action described results now in a situation where people don't trust vaccines anymore even in the case one should consider safe.
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Scientists do science, not play CIV for real. They are no more qualified or capable of running a government than a celebrity has a meaningful opinion on any subject other than acting. And yet...

Also, scientists disagree with each other (as they should) so which particular set should make the political decisions? The ones on your side?

Aaaannnd... running a country is a juggling act balancing many competing and incompatible requirements. Some obvious thing may not happen because it would screw up some more important but less obvious thing, or vice versa, of course. And that's in a well-run government.

RAPo:
Well, the climate scientists (not me) are making claims about global warming. They are not telling the whole truth if they don't say anything about the local conditions.

It makes all the difference if one stands up or not.
I'm not after the loudest shout. I'm stating quite clearly: that the science community has lost the trust of the public by their own deeds/words.

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