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heartbroken that John Clauser seems to have joined climate change denial.
RAPo:
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OK, well what I get from that is people ignored the demand and there was no change in hospital data BECAUSE people ignored the demand. All it's pointing out is that people can be dicks and in the face of that nothing changes. It's not news and the same happens in other fields. See MAGA/Trump, for instance.
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Nope, people didn't ignore. They did their usual thing. The policy was not necessary .
PlainName:
--- Quote from: RAPo on August 05, 2023, 03:28:32 pm ---
--- Quote from: PlainName on August 05, 2023, 03:18:47 pm ---
OK, well what I get from that is people ignored the demand and there was no change in hospital data BECAUSE people ignored the demand. All it's pointing out is that people can be dicks and in the face of that nothing changes. It's not news and the same happens in other fields. See MAGA/Trump, for instance.
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Nope, people didn't ignore. They did their usual thing. The policy was not necessary .
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Again, this is why we have governments to decide when things are necessary for the general good. Individuals cannot determine that because they don't have the 20kft view, don't know what else is going on, etc. Whether the policy was necessary technically or not, with hindsight or not, is ignoring its intent and just showing how difficult it is to get people to act for the common good.
RAPo:
Again you are missing the point.
The point is the scientific community, with all their wisdom, didn't stand up and corrected the politics and informed the public.
That is what is causing the distrust of the science.
Wallace Gasiewicz:
Absolutely, the scientific community and the medical community were threatened by the Govmint bureaucrats. Doctors had licenses to loose if they did not follow the party policy, professors would loose their jobs.
So they just rolled over and put up with the idiocy.
You could easily get censored on any medical blog for not agreeing with the party line, so no one knew that there were people who did not agree with it. Social media was biased against any dissent.
If you believe in Govmint control and that it is good, you must also believe that dissent is either a traitorous action or a mental disease. Welcome to totalitarianism.
Dr. Frank:
--- Quote from: Wallace Gasiewicz on August 05, 2023, 04:23:41 pm ---Absolutely, the scientific community and the medical community were threatened by the Govmint bureaucrats. Doctors had licenses to loose if they did not follow the party policy, professors would loose their jobs.
So they just rolled over and put up with the idiocy.
You could easily get censored on any medical blog for not agreeing with the party line, so no one knew that there were people who did not agree with it. Social media was biased against any dissent.
If you believe in Govmint control and that it is good, you must also believe that dissent is either a traitorous action or a mental disease. Welcome to totalitarianism.
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I don't regard the Medical community, especially the epidemiologists and virologists as "Scientists", as especially here in Germany they did neither use Scientific methods, as of part 1) of my description, nor did they use overall Risk Assessment methods as I mentioned about our A3 Sheet method.
In Germany, they filed a final report about the whole government "Expert" team consisting mainly of medical guys, and it was clearly stated, that this report could not decide, whether the measures like lock-down of the whole country was appropriate or not, or had any positive effect, due to the fact, that the medical team did not collect appropriate data material at all.
As Germany was not able to make automated data acquisition, they (Mrs. Merkel) simply locked our country down, when a limit of 35 incidents (*) / 100k people was exceeded. This arbitrary limit was simply defined by the maximum manual capacity of our local health offices, which received the data by FAX only.
Germany is really not a country of good engineering any more.
Frank
(*) "incidents" meant reported number of people which were supposed to be sick with C.
Officially, later, they of course argued with the limited Intense Medical Care capacity of the hospitals.
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