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| beanflying:
Being Skeptical of ALL of one point of view has NOTHING to do with scientific anything, this is where the denial or die camp sits. Questioning sure/absolutely but until you have a rational reasoned response that will hold up to peer review it is Skepticism not Science. |
| RAPo:
This is very unscientific reasoning. Group think, afraid of losing a job, or just other financial interests can make people do strange things. You have one report with multiple claims it could be that people agree on the individual claims and not on the end conclusion. Right now 1500 scholars from all over the world signed a petition that there is no emergency situation regarding climate and strongly oppose the harmful and unrealistic net-zero CO2 policy proposed for 2050. And exactly what kind of consensus we are talking about? Did you read "The scientific consensus of climate change revisited" from Dennis Bray on an earlier version of the IPCC report? Science does not have sweeping statements, but carefully worded exact statements. --- Quote from: cbutlera on August 09, 2023, 01:03:59 pm ---I agree entirely that we should be discussing the contents of that IPCC report as representative of the scientific consensus rather than media reports. So with that in mind I ask again, where in that IPCC report is there any claim that is not supported by scientific research? --- End quote --- |
| Sredni:
About the 1500 scientists from around the world... From https://www.desmog.com/climate-intelligence-foundation-clintel/ --- Quote ---The Climate Intelligence Foundation (CLINTEL) is a Netherlands-based1 climate science denial group founded in 2019 by retired professor of geophysics Guus Berkhout and journalist Marcel Crok.2 Its principal view is that “there is no climate emergency.”3 According to Dutch broadcaster KRO-NCRV Pointer, the 800 “scientists, scholars, and professionals” that support CLINTEL have “conducted little to no climate research.”4 DeSmog analysis has found that the list of signatories includes a commercial fisherman, a retired chemist, a cardiologist, and an air-conditioning engineer, alongside a number of retired geologists.5 The organisation has close ties to Forum voor Democratie, the main Dutch nationalist party, and its leader Thierry Baudet, who has quoted statements by CLINTEL in the country’s House of Representatives.6 Various members of CLINTEL’s list of ambassadors, and its extended list of signatories, have connections to libertarian free-market groups with a history of climate science denial, including the Heartland Institute, the Cato Institute, and the Competitive Enterprise Institute.7 All three organisations are members of the Koch-funded Atlas Network.8 9 ... --- End quote --- ----- Also, on a more general note, this yt video explains what these sort of think tanks are and why they exist. https://youtu.be/3n3Hq7XSBjA |
| PlainName:
--- Quote from: tautech on August 10, 2023, 02:05:43 am ---Hot off the press: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2425775/Climate-scientists-told-cover-fact-Earths-temperature-risen-15-years.html --- End quote --- That's the DailyWail. Although they do break news and more regular sources catch up, I wouldn't take anything they post as pukka without it being confirmed elsewhere. In this case they quote Associated News, but on the AP website there is nothing. |
| RAPo:
What are you trying to say? Are only the lefty parties in the Netherlands right about what is happening with the climate? Is the statement about scepticism about how we are tackling the climate situation bad because it is from a right-wing party? Is the statement the worldwide ambassadors are making, less true because of the situation in the Netherlands? Are you saying only climate scientists may have a say? Is expertise from other sciences not allowed? What exactly is wrong with "have connections to libertarian free-market groups"? Can you imagine that free-market groups can develop better ideas for climate adaptation (if needed) than the government? In order to pay for the climate plans, you need money, and money comes from economic growth, or are you propagating more and more state debts? --- Quote from: Sredni on August 10, 2023, 07:13:39 am ---About the 1500 scientists from around the world... From https://www.desmog.com/climate-intelligence-foundation-clintel/ The Climate Intelligence Foundation (CLINTEL) is a Netherlands-based1 climate science denial group founded in 2019 by retired professor of geophysics Guus Berkhout and journalist Marcel Crok.2 Its principal view is that “there is no climate emergency.”3 According to Dutch broadcaster KRO-NCRV Pointer, the 800 “scientists, scholars, and professionals” that support CLINTEL have “conducted little to no climate research.”4 DeSmog analysis has found that the list of signatories includes a commercial fisherman, a retired chemist, a cardiologist, and an air-conditioning engineer, alongside a number of retired geologists.5 The organisation has close ties to Forum voor Democratie, the main Dutch nationalist party, and its leader Thierry Baudet, who has quoted statements by CLINTEL in the country’s House of Representatives.6 Various members of CLINTEL’s list of ambassadors, and its extended list of signatories, have connections to libertarian free-market groups with a history of climate science denial, including the Heartland Institute, the Cato Institute, and the Competitive Enterprise Institute.7 All three organisations are members of the Koch-funded Atlas Network.8 9 ----- Also, on a more general note, this yt video explains what these sort of think tanks are and why they exist. https://youtu.be/3n3Hq7XSBjA --- End quote --- |
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