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heartbroken that John Clauser seems to have joined climate change denial.

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PlainName:

--- Quote ---Are you saying only climate scientists may have a say? Is expertise from other sciences not allowed?
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Not specifically about climate but as a comment in general, shouldn't those versed in the arts be given a bit more credibility that those that think they have an opinion? In other words, are we happy that, say, a geologist might come on here and tell us where we're going wrong with PCB layout as an equal to those laying out PCBs as a job?

tom66:

--- Quote from: PlainName on August 10, 2023, 07:41:55 am ---
--- Quote from: tautech on August 10, 2023, 02:05:43 am ---Hot off the press:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2425775/Climate-scientists-told-cover-fact-Earths-temperature-risen-15-years.html

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That's the DailyWail. Although they do break news and more regular sources catch up, I wouldn't take anything they post as pukka without it being confirmed elsewhere. In this case they quote Associated News, but on the AP website there is nothing.

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Even so, if you actually read it, it's basically "this last decade warmed a little slower than anticipated according to X model, we shouldn't highlight this because it's does not appear representative of the overall trend and there's no reason to believe it means that climate change isn't happening".

Which is a totally reasonable point of view.  Nothing is being hidden.

bookaboo:

--- Quote from: Sredni on August 10, 2023, 07:13:39 am ---About the 1500 scientists from around the world...

From https://www.desmog.com/climate-intelligence-foundation-clintel/


The Climate Intelligence Foundation (CLINTEL) is a Netherlands-based1 climate science denial group founded in 2019 by retired professor of geophysics Guus Berkhout and journalist Marcel Crok.2 Its principal view is that “there is no climate emergency.”3

According to Dutch broadcaster KRO-NCRV Pointer, the 800 “scientists, scholars, and professionals” that support CLINTEL have “conducted little to no climate research.”4 DeSmog analysis has found that the list of signatories includes a commercial fisherman, a retired chemist, a cardiologist, and an air-conditioning engineer, alongside a number of retired geologists.5

The organisation has close ties to Forum voor Democratie, the main Dutch nationalist party, and its leader Thierry Baudet, who has quoted statements by CLINTEL in the country’s House of Representatives.6

Various members of CLINTEL’s list of ambassadors, and its extended list of signatories, have connections to libertarian free-market groups with a history of climate science denial, including the Heartland Institute, the Cato Institute, and the Competitive Enterprise Institute.7 All three organisations are members of the Koch-funded Atlas Network.8 9

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Also, on a more general note, this yt video explains what these sort of think tanks are and why they exist.

https://youtu.be/3n3Hq7XSBjA

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So their professional opinion is invalid because they previously expressed the same opinion?

RAPo:
If she or he has a good idea that works, why not.


--- Quote from: PlainName on August 10, 2023, 08:49:14 am ---Not specifically about climate but as a comment in general, shouldn't those versed in the arts be given a bit more credibility that those that think they have an opinion? In other words, are we happy that, say, a geologist might come on here and tell us where we're going wrong with PCB layout as an equal to those laying out PCBs as a job?

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tom66:

--- Quote from: bookaboo on August 10, 2023, 10:04:12 am ---So their professional opinion is invalid because they previously expressed the same opinion?

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Why would their professional opinion matter when they are not professionals in the field of climate science?

They are entitled to an opinion, but being a cardiologist doesn't mean you have the chops to opine accurately on climate science, and your opinion is not more relevant than any other educated person that can understand basic scientific principles.

These types of think tanks push these surveys and studies all of the time because they sound authoritative, but they're really not.

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