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| RAPo:
Their opinion does matter because the problem and, as a consequence, the proposed solutions for citizens lie outside the climate region. If we are going to mess with climate/geoengineering I sure would like to have some physics, geologist's experience aboard. And above all, please let the economists evaluate if a policy is sensible. I find it sensible that S&P drops the ESG scores from their evaluations Debt ratings, not ESG scores, are the basis for financial risks. It is their task to show to us all that the myth of cheap renewable energy is not true. Since the former chancellor Gerhard Schröder in 2000 decided to phase out nuclear power in Germany and go all in on wind/solar, the energy prices have gone up. --- Quote from: tom66 on August 10, 2023, 10:21:38 am --- Why would their professional opinion matter when they are not professionals in the field of climate science? They are entitled to an opinion, but being a cardiologist doesn't mean you have the chops to opine accurately on climate science, and your opinion is not more relevant than any other educated person that can understand basic scientific principles. These types of think tanks push these surveys and studies all of the time because they sound authoritative, but they're really not. --- End quote --- |
| beanflying:
That group is playing up to in their own opinions as being a 'group of scientists, scholars & professionals ....' is doesn't matter a damm if they are Medical Researchers, Theology Scholars and Professional Floor sweepers! They are no more or less entitled to being heard as primarily non experts in the field as 1500 other humans living on this small rock. |
| PlainName:
--- Quote from: RAPo on August 10, 2023, 11:29:22 am ---Their opinion does matter because the problem and, as a consequence, the proposed solutions for citizens lie outside the climate region. If we are going to mess with climate/geoengineering I sure would like to have some physics, geologist's experience aboard. And above all, please let the economists evaluate if a policy is sensible. I find it sensible that S&P drops the ESG scores from their evaluations Debt ratings, not ESG scores, are the basis for financial risks. It is their task to show to us all that the myth of cheap renewable energy is not true. Since the former chancellor Gerhard Schröder in 2000 decided to phase out nuclear power in Germany and go all in on wind/solar, the energy prices have gone up. --- End quote --- That's conflating solution with problem. Science can tell us if something is or is likely to occur. Politics tells us how we're going to resolve that (or not). For science we need knowledgeable people, which is generally those doing it for real all the time. For politics it's whoever we've elected, and they will (or should) take into account the various other fields that are affected, so utilising geologists or whatever. |
| PlainName:
--- Quote from: RAPo on August 10, 2023, 10:10:14 am ---If she or he has a good idea that works, why not. --- Quote from: PlainName on August 10, 2023, 08:49:14 am ---Not specifically about climate but as a comment in general, shouldn't those versed in the arts be given a bit more credibility that those that think they have an opinion? In other words, are we happy that, say, a geologist might come on here and tell us where we're going wrong with PCB layout as an equal to those laying out PCBs as a job? --- End quote --- --- End quote --- Fine, if they have that idea it's great. But the chance of them having a valid idea is low so they have a higher hurdle to jump to prove it. Whether or not that's fair is beside the point, because if you don't have that hurdle then you just get drowned in complete rubbish that anyone with a clue would see is stupid straight off. You need filters, and being a professional is one of them. For a reasonable example, take a look at Treez threads and figure whether he is likely to have a ground-breaking idea. I suspect not, but you're welcome to spend the time listening to anything he happens to rattle off and give those ideas all the attention he thinks they deserve. (Edit: having written that it occurs to me that Treez is actually (apparently) a professional, so... hmmm... :-//) |
| RAPo:
--- Quote from: PlainName on August 10, 2023, 01:10:47 pm ---That's conflating solution with problem. --- End quote --- if the urgency is that high we should look for solutions,not problems. |
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