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heartbroken that John Clauser seems to have joined climate change denial.
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SiliconWizard:
Well.
rhb:
Ah, yes.  "Science deniers" are the real problem. 

So when a career scientist with advanced degrees doesn't agree with the views you advocate you claim they are  a "science denier".   

Loretta Lynch when AG asked Comey when he was running the FBI for suggestions on legal grounds that could be used for prosecuting my "thought crimes".  I was a career PhD level geoscientist.  She was asking how she could intimidate scientists.  Who's the "science denier"?

@EEVblog  I was banned by Simon for trying to point out a basic set of facts that so far as I know, are not disputed by anyone:

15,000 years ago there was a sheet of ice covering Iowa 1.2 km thick.

There is no ice in Iowa in the summer now except in freezers or after a hail storm.

There is no human record of the ice or its melting, but it ALL melted.  How could that happen?

Sea level rose about 200 m since the Pleistocene low stand.

The *average* rate of sea level rise at about 1.5cm/yr.

Hint for the arithmetically challenged.  That is a 30 m rise in sea level since Christ died.  Are all the coastal cities mentioned in Biblical times under water?

Explain why and show your work.

There are very compelling reasons to curtail the current rate of fossil fuel consumption in the developed world.
It's a finite resource, and, maybe, just maybe, some poor person should not go hungry because rich people want a discount on fuel for their cars by having it made from corn poor Mexican peasants need to sustain themselves each day.

I think I need another vacation from this forum.

Reg

alm:

--- Quote from: rhb on August 01, 2023, 11:08:35 pm ---There is no human record of the ice or its melting, but it ALL melted.  How could that happen?

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Because humans didn't start writing until a lot later? Is this an attempt at an analogy to "if a tree falls in the wood, does it still make a sound"? Or just a straw man argument?


--- Quote from: rhb on August 01, 2023, 11:08:35 pm ---The *average* rate of sea level rise at about 1.5cm/yr.

Hint for the arithmetically challenged.  That is a 30 m rise in sea level since Christ died.  Are all the coastal cities mentioned in Biblical times under water?

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Over what time period was this average? This paper (with results from three different studies including this one) describes a global sea level rise of about 15 cm from the year 1 to 2000. So I'd say you're off by over two orders of magnitude.
thm_w:
Yeah earliest human records are ~2900 BC.

The ice melted somewhere before that according to historical sea level data/models:
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Late-Pleistocene-eustatic-sea-level-curve-constructed-from-Pacific-Gas-and-Electric_fig1_339212842
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Eustatic-sea-level-curve-for-the-last-glacial-interglacial-cycle-according-to_fig2_339212842
coppice:

--- Quote from: rhb on August 01, 2023, 02:40:08 pm ---BTW There is no such thing as "the science community".

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Everything has to be in a community these days. Even groups in massive conflict with each other get bundled into a community now. Like the ABCD community, where A and B are mortal enemies of C and D, but some people don't want the public to realist that.
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