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heartbroken that John Clauser seems to have joined climate change denial.
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Wallace Gasiewicz:
Unfortunately there is no good science behind the many articles about global warming.It is very hard to even attempt to verify the basic data that they use. Temperature Readings are subject to all sorts of variables such as the infringement of concrete and asphalt on the measuring station and the maintenance of the measuring station.Then there are computer programs that smooth the data??? You would have to look at each line of code in the computer "models" to evaluate their veracity, just to start.
Then there is the Hypothesis that CO2 causes some sort of greenhouse effect. To make this into a scientific theory you would have to prove by experiment showing that raising the CO2 on an experimental planet would increase temps. You would have to do this while maintaining space weather and especially the sun's output to very close specifications. Not done and I do not think can be done.Inferences about past CO2 levels and climate are just inferences and must be viewed with other climate variables such as sun output. This is also very complicated. I do not believe the ancient Mesopotanians maintained good solar weather records.
So there is no way to create a scientific experiment to prove the hypothesis. Unless someone has a earth sized planet which we can experiment with while maintaining a control planet.So we are left with a bunch of numbers or statistics from history and Ice measurements. Then Analysis.
This is NOT the Scientific Method. And statistical analysis is more complicated than most people think and frequently the wrong statistical model is used for analysis.  I have repeatedly witnessed this.
So now we have millionaires making more money preaching to us about global warmng while burning jet fuel llike crazy going from lecture to lecture.
Do any of the supposed scientists even know how much CO2 is absorbed by crops vs an old unattended field vs a climax forest??? I doubt it.
Compound this with the recent debacle about the COVID Pandemic. Does anyone believe the "Scientists" and Government Officials anymore???
Back in the 1950s nuclear energy was the hope for clean energy. Then it was poison. Now it looks like our best option again. I do believe that is is a really good option. I will not go into the vagarities of energy consumption using windmills and solar panels and their "Carbon Footprint" and pollution related to their use and manufacture and disposal vs direct use of the carbon fuel.  I do believe that these sources can have value in maintaining the grid, although it is probably more limited than most people think.Having said all of this, I do believe we should conserve our present energy thru efficient machines and houses and especially better transmission lines and an efficient grid.Did not mention Hydro. OK it is very good source of energy.
But I love it when Hydro powered countries like Norway lecture us about oil consumption while making Billions from their oil and gas fields.

OK, enough ranting, I have to go back and look thru the news forums and needlessly  use energy motivating electrons to do my bidding.

EEVblog:

--- Quote from: tszaboo on August 02, 2023, 10:26:39 am ---I really don't know how facts could succeed, when we scared young people to the point that they have depression and existential fear due to this. It's all just emotions at this point.
--- End quote ---

Yep, that's why I said it's gone too far, and they are only pushing harder and harder with the fear. It's now officially "Global Boiling" according to the UN chief  :palm:
I for one am done with it all this fear being pushed. We had a lifetimes worth of that crap during covid. And we had enough of the fear of being "cancelled" during the woke wars.
The more they push the fear the more people are going to push back, and that includes people who believe in it and want to help fix things.
snarkysparky:
Two things.


1  Narcissistic people frequently need to take opposition opinions.  You can't be the smartest guy in the room by agreeing with the consensus.

2  The issue triggers peoples unconscious death anxiety.  I think it's evident by the reaction intensity in these replies.

Neither impacts the obvious truth that the climate is changing rapidly and this just so happens to coincide with high levels of trapped CO2 being dug up and thrust into the atmosphere.

I have been hearing about the collapse of global warming theory for 15 years.  Each and every year the consensus of the people grows that we are damaging our environment.

Carry on with the denial if it makes you feel better.
Siwastaja:
A few things:

1 The most narcissistic person I have known, with all the usual traits of manipulation and finally crime, was a heavy preacher of climate change / climate crisis and cited heavily the IPCC reports. Once you think about it, it's obvious why: narcissists love being in control of the lives of others, and guilt is powerful tool for that. Also they love being admired, and "being right" is essential. You can't publicly do stuff which makes you an outcast in society if you want to have supply of intelligent and capable people to manipulate.

2 I don't see much denial about global warming in this thread. You clearly did not read the replies, did not understand them, or did not want to understand them.

3 Basically calling others narcissists is extremely rude. No one else resorted to name calling, we have adhered to subject and discussed it honestly, even if our opinions differ. Why do you behave like this?

4 You can continue behaving like a child, "boohoo you are all stupid and wrong", but you are the one who suffers the most. Why are you so mentally dishonest with yourself?
Zero999:
A few points:

The temperature of the atmosphere isn't changing much. Stratospheric temperatures are cooling, whist the troposphere is warming, which is exactly what we should expect to happen. Of course it's the tropospheric temperature which is important to us humans, although the stratosphere does affect weather patterns so mustn't be overlooked.

If the temperature of the troposphere rises, average global precipitation will also rise. It's true changes in atmospheric circulation might make some areas more prone to drought, but on the whole agriculture should benefit from more rainfall. The downside is flooding will aso be more of a problem,

Historically human population correlates positively with higher temperatures, which boost agricultural productivity and reduce the number of cold-related deaths, which is higher than those due to excessive heat.

Extreme heat, will always be balanced to some extent by extreme cold, so if one region is hot, another will be cool. There's been a lot of hype about the recent heatwave in southern Europe, yet much of Northern Europe and part of Asia, has had cooler than average temperatures this summer.  It's caused by blocking events. A high in the North Atlantic, near Greenland, pushed the jet stream further south, than usual, diverting low pressure over the UK, pushing the subtropical ridge further south and east, resulting in extreme heat there.

The pandemic was a classic example of group think. Many public health authorities, along with other institutions became overly focussed on preventing the spread of the virus, whilst ignoring the negative consequences of their polices on wider society. Many of their policies were not evidence-based: mask mandates, vaccinating those with prior immunity, school closures etc.  This caused a backlash by those who were sceptical of the authorities, driving many of them to become more extreme in their views. This has made more sceptical of the mainstream media and much of academia. I now take what organisations such as the WHO and IPCC with a pinch of salt.

Most of those who have responded to this thread, questioning climate change, appear to be fairly reasonable. None of them come across as science deniers. My persional view is that CO2 is affecting the climate, but most policies aimed at dealing with it, will cause more harm, than good, as has been the case with the pandemic.
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