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How a passanger can land a 737

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Tom45:

--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on March 30, 2020, 04:23:41 pm ---So yeah - it's possible in theory, but in practice the odds of that ending up very badly are pretty high.

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And the odds of failure are even higher if nobody on board does anything.

SkyMaster:

--- Quote from: NiHaoMike on March 30, 2020, 12:47:11 pm ---
--- Quote from: taydin on March 30, 2020, 10:05:18 am ---So based on that video, there's no chance in hell that a passenger can land the aircraft, because the first step, establishing communication with ATC is going to fail (too complex and requires knowledge of frequencies etc). There would have been a glimmer of hope if there was a communication channel with ATC open by default.

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Or most likely the passenger will dial 911 and hopefully the call center will figure out how to forward it to ATC.

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Interesting idea. Do cellphones work from 35,000 feet?

I wonder how the 911 call center could possibly know which facility they would need to contact.

 :)

nctnico:

--- Quote from: SkyMaster on March 30, 2020, 05:11:13 pm ---
--- Quote from: NiHaoMike on March 30, 2020, 12:47:11 pm ---
--- Quote from: taydin on March 30, 2020, 10:05:18 am ---So based on that video, there's no chance in hell that a passenger can land the aircraft, because the first step, establishing communication with ATC is going to fail (too complex and requires knowledge of frequencies etc). There would have been a glimmer of hope if there was a communication channel with ATC open by default.

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Or most likely the passenger will dial 911 and hopefully the call center will figure out how to forward it to ATC.

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Interesting idea. Do cellphones work from 35,000 feet?

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Maybe. But cell-phone cell handover is likely to fail at speeds of over 200km/h. At least this was the case last time I checked.

SkyMaster:

--- Quote from: taydin on March 30, 2020, 10:05:18 am ---So based on that video, there's no chance in hell that a passenger can land the aircraft, because the first step, establishing communication with ATC is going to fail (too complex and requires knowledge of frequencies etc). There would have been a glimmer of hope if there was a communication channel with ATC open by default.

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Except for some remote areas, an aircraft flying IFR is always in communication with some form of ATC.

The main issue is that any airliner flight deck is complex. The typical passenger has no idea what to look for. He has no idea what a PTT is, let alone find it. A passenger pilot experienced with "lighter" general aviation aircraft would know about the PTT alright, but would not be familiar with the radios and the communication panel he would be looking at. And the speed, a jet airliner is flying at 500 to 600 mph (800 to 950 km/h); it is mind boggling when you are not used to it.

 :)
 

Fred27:
Not quite the same, but I know someone who was flying a light aircraft solo when he had a stroke and went blind. They managed to talk him down to a successful landing.  :o

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