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Mr. Scram:

--- Quote from: SilverSolder on February 25, 2020, 03:48:07 pm ---OK so there is a way to silence it...

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As far as I know it's so intertwined with the other electronics that's very hard to do.
SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on February 25, 2020, 04:11:12 pm ---Another mistake is to presume you're innocent. None of us is. Research shows the average citizen commits multiple felonies a day. Many jurisdictions can't even tell you how many laws exist within their borders so there's no hope of knowing and adhering to them all even if you tried. This didn't use to be a problem as most of these aren't causing real issues and there wasn't any evidence of it anyway. Rampant data collection means you can be prosecuted at will. This unfortunately has been proven to not just be a theoretical issue either, see the following link.

https://mises.org/library/decriminalize-average-man

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Yup.

Anyway. Any sane and free society shouldn't even think of that. Again, that's a patent violation of privacy which should be a guaranteed basic right. It doesn't matter whether this is all made for the greater good: this kind of approach is exactly that of all totalitarian regimes.

It's funny how almost everyone screams when they hear about mass surveillance in China, yet most of us just ignore it when we do the exact same, just because, you know, we are different right?
At least China's government is not hiding it.

One good thing at least in the EU (there must be one ;D ) is that privacy is still relatively protected. And I doubt this kind of systematic data collection from cars' vendors is allowed in the EU. Does anyone know more about this?

Edit: sorry I seem to have forgotten that the UK once was in the EU. ;D
So I wonder how all this can be compliant with the EU directives. I'm curious.
rdl:
Not taking the time to dig into it, but I think some sort of agreement must be signed before it's legal. Now, maybe if the vehicle is being leased they can hide this in the fine print, but seems that if you were buying the vehicle outright it would have to be separate, and therefore much more obvious.
langwadt:

--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on February 25, 2020, 04:40:40 pm ---
--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on February 25, 2020, 04:11:12 pm ---Another mistake is to presume you're innocent. None of us is. Research shows the average citizen commits multiple felonies a day. Many jurisdictions can't even tell you how many laws exist within their borders so there's no hope of knowing and adhering to them all even if you tried. This didn't use to be a problem as most of these aren't causing real issues and there wasn't any evidence of it anyway. Rampant data collection means you can be prosecuted at will. This unfortunately has been proven to not just be a theoretical issue either, see the following link.

https://mises.org/library/decriminalize-average-man

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Yup.

Anyway. Any sane and free society shouldn't even think of that. Again, that's a patent violation of privacy which should be a guaranteed basic right. It doesn't matter whether this is all made for the greater good: this kind of approach is exactly that of all totalitarian regimes.

It's funny how almost everyone screams when they hear about mass surveillance in China, yet most of us just ignore it when we do the exact same, just because, you know, we are different right?
At least China's government is not hiding it.

One good thing at least in the EU (there must be one ;D ) is that privacy is still relatively protected. And I doubt this kind of systematic data collection from cars' vendors is allowed in the EU. Does anyone know more about this?

Edit: sorry I seem to have forgotten that the UK once was in the EU. ;D
So I wonder how all this can be compliant with the EU directives. I'm curious.

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cell phone companies store the same info all the time and give it to law enforcement when (properly) requested.
cell phone data has been used as evidence in many cases, and so has a suspects phone conveniently being off the
time of a crime
SiliconWizard:
Which doesn't answer my question really.

I invite people to read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation
(and of course the directive itself)
and see how compliant those companies possibly are point by point. My guess is: probably not very. Not that people seem to care apparently anyway.
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