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| angrybird:
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on February 25, 2020, 03:48:07 pm --- --- Quote from: angrybird on February 25, 2020, 02:19:44 pm --- --- Quote from: SilverSolder on February 25, 2020, 12:19:51 pm --- --- Quote from: angrybird on February 24, 2020, 11:07:17 pm ---Ford, GM, Chrysler, and other OEM's are working and have been actively working on selling this information for more than a decade. Ford has been selling this data from all of their SYNC enabled cars all over the place, State Farm is a big buyer. They are currently engaged in a large scale project to further parse and monetize this information. IMHO, this site needs a section dedicated specifically to this type of hack. I've been through my SYNC system out of some boredom. It's collecting... Everything... Including pictures from the front mounted camera. FYI to connect to it you need to connect a rather generic USB-to-ethernet adapter to the USB port. From there... You can figure it out ;-) --- End quote --- How does the data get uploaded to the mother ship? --- End quote --- Via the integrated LTE/GSM module --- End quote --- OK so there is a way to silence it... --- End quote --- For now, with architectures up to 2020-ish, I believe there still is, however you will likely "void" your warranty (or at least disqualify yourself from warranty-covered dealer service calls until you allow the updates) as the vehicles now depend on this network connection for software updates to various systems. No one writes good software anymore and the OEM's aren't immune from this phenomena. The "we can fix it later as long as it's not a big safety issue" mentality is strengthened by this ability to push updates to the vehicle later. |
| JPortici:
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on February 25, 2020, 03:48:07 pm --- --- Quote from: angrybird on February 25, 2020, 02:19:44 pm --- --- Quote from: SilverSolder on February 25, 2020, 12:19:51 pm --- --- Quote from: angrybird on February 24, 2020, 11:07:17 pm ---Ford, GM, Chrysler, and other OEM's are working and have been actively working on selling this information for more than a decade. Ford has been selling this data from all of their SYNC enabled cars all over the place, State Farm is a big buyer. They are currently engaged in a large scale project to further parse and monetize this information. IMHO, this site needs a section dedicated specifically to this type of hack. I've been through my SYNC system out of some boredom. It's collecting... Everything... Including pictures from the front mounted camera. FYI to connect to it you need to connect a rather generic USB-to-ethernet adapter to the USB port. From there... You can figure it out ;-) --- End quote --- How does the data get uploaded to the mother ship? --- End quote --- Via the integrated LTE/GSM module --- End quote --- OK so there is a way to silence it... --- End quote --- Also every time you go to the dealer or any other "authorized" mechanic |
| angrybird:
--- Quote from: rdl on February 25, 2020, 05:05:21 pm ---Not taking the time to dig into it, but I think some sort of agreement must be signed before it's legal. Now, maybe if the vehicle is being leased they can hide this in the fine print, but seems that if you were buying the vehicle outright it would have to be separate, and therefore much more obvious. --- End quote --- Trust me when I tell you that car manufacturers have been selling this data without your direct consent since the inception of these systems, they get around rules because the data is "anonymized".... Companies ARE using this data, as an example State Farm IS setting some drivers' insurance rates based on some of this information and no one is supposed to know this. I have independently proven this on multiple SYNC capable vehicles manufactured in 2012-2014 model year. I believe American manufacturers are the most guilty of this. At this very moment, Ford is making a large effort right to further process and package this data in an attempt to generate more revenue from it (as they are in a sort of panic mode due to their financial situation). We live in a world where the companies known as "data brokers" are allowed to vacuum up all of our information from utility companies, cellullar phone companies, internet providers, car manufacturers, credit card companies, and this list goes on forever. The data is more or less "anonymized" but with a bit of creative software, you can link all of a person's data together, package it as "person X" and sell it, with the understanding of "psssst... everything is here to figure out exactly who this person is and target them with ads, set their insurance rates, sell it to someone else, etc". It's a crime against humanity, and everyone ignores it because they would rather be entertained than care, and they won't care until it is too late (IMHO it already is). |
| JPortici:
--- Quote from: Halcyon on February 25, 2020, 09:30:16 am --- --- Quote from: rdl on February 25, 2020, 06:21:23 am ---I don't see how the car companies or insurance companies or anyone else has a right to this kind of information by default. Surely the owner of the vehicle has to authorize it first, otherwise how could it even be legal? --- End quote --- Yep, you do. If you don't read contracts before you sign, you can only blame yourself. --- End quote --- It's funny, though. I never ever remember signing anything other than the papers for ownership when i bought my (second hand) car. Then i did read and sign the contract for my insurance and didn't find anything about data collection from the vehichle. I did, howeve,r for when i installed the black box (different contract form), but that's the whole point |
| rdl:
To do list: Buy a new car. Buy an old car. |
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