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How Do Chinese Suppliers Have So Much Better Prices, Even On American Products?
wraper:
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on December 19, 2020, 08:03:22 pm ---
--- Quote from: Trader on December 19, 2020, 04:57:37 pm ---[...] If you cannot comply with all the Specs, you cannot use the same part name, this is called "Counterfeit". [...]
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But even the brand owners are not living up to all the specs, when they move a product from an old process to a new one. The new product is therefore an imperfect copy... it may be "good enough for Australia" in most ways, but it isn't necessarily going to perform like the old model.
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Unless they make a new part number such as using different suffix, it will fully match the old specs. If your design relied on some unspecified features which changed by moving to another process, it's your problem. With clone/counterfeit parts, they easily may not match published specs.
MIS42N:
How much postage do the Chinese pay on items? I bought a small regulator to replace one that failed. It was 90¢AU for 10 delivered (weren't sold singly). Standard postage in Australia for a letter at the time was $1. So the Chinese were able to send an item by international post cheaper than I can send a letter to my neighbour.
And how do local suppliers justify the prices they charge? I understand there are overheads but - a few years ago I was looking for a TTL to RS232 adapter to interface a little microprocessor with an old laptop (which had an RS232 port). Local supplier wanted $29.99. Identical item from China - $1.48 (including postage). If the local markup were 100% (which would make the item $2 because they buy in bulk and don't post it to me) I'd go down the street and buy it. But markups of over 1000%?
While the price difference is so high, I'll continue to import stuff. Sure, maybe 1 in 10 things gets binned and I don't buy from that person again. So far ahead on the rest it's a minor hit.
coppercone2:
well if you ever worked in a factory you know how much money you can save by 'speeding along' manufacturing. Cure times, testing (say, why do we need that megger test anyway?, it never showed a fail), inspecting work, etc. regulatory compliance busts you for not doing that.
fun one: cure time for double sided tape is seven days. Try telling a manager we need to leave this on a shelf for a week before we do more stuff with it. You might as well break into their house and start writing cryptic shit on the wall with lip stick. Same reaction. I am sticking to adhesives because its something that almost everyone I know had a problem with, because of bad process control, for home repairs, etc. (i.e. sheetrock and compound is cheap as fuck but the job entirely depends on the workers doing little bullshit steps right).
You can do all the manufacturing stuff 'bugs bunny' style if you can wing it (you know the bar tender throwing a drink at someone then having them grab it mid air and turn it side ways so whiskey does not go flying all over the pretty lady sitting next to them). We don't need a funnel to pour this HF....
I kinda wonder if ultimate silicon wafer frizbee happens..
we don't need pesky robots with Bentley grade suspension driving around those wafers with robotic arms, I can just throw them to that guy over there.
Another one is of course safety in manufacturing, having OSHA shut you down because some guard is out of spec (measured with gauge blocks of course). In a Chinese factory they might take that off and screw it to a table and have a free mini anvil.
Then you have taxes, cheap labor, low storage costs (they have abandoned cities over there, talk about cheap warehousing), goverment subsidies (huge).
You might call American manufacturing a little oppressive because of this (but the workers and customers do benefit in the long run). Not if its being suffocated by dumb shit though (sometimes happens).
coppercone2:
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on December 19, 2020, 03:33:19 pm ---
--- Quote from: blueskull on December 18, 2020, 02:20:24 pm ---Simple. We order in bulk. [...]
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My grandmother taught me that when I was a kid. As a 7 year old, I was in awe at her 25Kg sack of sugar to do her fruit preserves in the fall - I had never seen so much sugar in one place. She said, "poor people buy sugar one tiny bag at a time, and pay three times as much for it. That's why they are poor, they never do the smart thing."
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well I mean it locks you into having to deal with a 25lb bag of sugar. I noticed stupid little problems developing from this kind of thinking, i.e. air circulation problem in refrigerator packed with eggs. When there is too much bulk products in a house it kinda starts to suck as a house I think. That needs to be done very carefully. I.e. start shopping in costco and turn into mayonnaise and ketchup based life form
Kinda a reason why people with bigger houses can be more successful economically.
SilverSolder:
--- Quote from: coppercone2 on December 20, 2020, 12:14:25 am ---
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on December 19, 2020, 03:33:19 pm ---
--- Quote from: blueskull on December 18, 2020, 02:20:24 pm ---Simple. We order in bulk. [...]
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My grandmother taught me that when I was a kid. As a 7 year old, I was in awe at her 25Kg sack of sugar to do her fruit preserves in the fall - I had never seen so much sugar in one place. She said, "poor people buy sugar one tiny bag at a time, and pay three times as much for it. That's why they are poor, they never do the smart thing."
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well I mean it locks you into having to deal with a 25lb bag of sugar. I noticed stupid little problems developing from this kind of thinking, i.e. air circulation problem in refrigerator packed with eggs. When there is too much bulk products in a house it kinda starts to suck as a house I think. That needs to be done very carefully. I.e. start shopping in costco and turn into mayonnaise and ketchup based life form
Kinda a reason why people with bigger houses can be more successful economically.
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If you keep the the price per square foot of your house in mind, all inclusive (mortgage/rent, heating, taxes, everything) when you store something... pretty soon, you figure out that there is a balance to be struck between "bulk" and "just in time" buying! :D
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