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How does the electron make a photon in an antenna?
aetherist:
--- Quote from: TimFox on February 02, 2023, 02:53:32 am ---The nice thing about real electrons is that those bound in atoms and those flying through space in an x-ray tube all have the same mass, etc.
Also, real photons, which have zero rest mass, are condemned to fly always at the speed of light in vacuo.
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Mass is difficult.
The free photon is the fundamental particle, & it annihilates aether, therefore it has mass (& momentum, & energy).
That ELEKTRONS have the same charge as (free) electrons (& protons, but opposite) is a mystery.
I don’t think that we know for sure that canal ray electrons have the same mass as ELEKTRONS (praps they do) – if they do then that is a mystery.
I reckon that neutrinos (each being a pair of photons) must have twice the mass of photons – but that would require that every photon has the same mass as every other photon (praps they do)(another mystery).
But i don’t know what to think about rest mass (in general), especially for a photon that is never at rest, a photon is always propagating at the speed of light.
And then we have radio waves (em radiation) – radio waves too must have mass (koz em radiation too annihilates aether)(& em radiation too propagates at the speed of light they say).
But, i already said that em radiation duznt kum in quanta – hence how can em radiation have mass? A continuum (like Einstein's continuums) can't have mass. Or can it. It’s a mystery.
Actually there is no such thing as em radiation. What we have is electric radiation, ie the charge field. And the movement or praps the acceleration of that field manifests as a magnetic field. The charge/electric field is primary.
So, i should have said that the charge field has mass – the magnetic field (a secondary field) is unlikely to contribute any extra mass.
But most of that is theory – until one day when we get empirical info.
Mass is difficult.
Just realized. Photons never propagate at the speed of light in vacuo, koz there is no such thing as vacuo.
Einstein said that light is slower when near mass, & everywhere in our infinite eternal universe is near mass.
Hence c km/s is an ideal that is never attained.
So, strictly speaking it is ok to talk of the speed of light, but it is not ok to invoke c anywhere at any time.
What we need to use is c', which is a little slower than c, when near mass (ie all the time, everywhere).
And, when light is inside say air or water or glass, that there c' bekums c", which is slower than c'.
c & c' & c" are all speeds of light, & c is the impossible speed.
In fact c' & c" are the same thing, the same effect, both are due to being near mass, except that c" is so close that it is actually inside mass (completely surrounded).
And, c & c' & c" are the speed in the aether, ie relative to the aether.
Hence if the observer feels an aetherwind of V then the observer can expect the speed of light to appear to be say c"+ V or c" – V.
And, the above considerations must apply to the speed of radio between antennas.
Zero999:
--- Quote from: aetherist on February 02, 2023, 05:44:22 am ---
--- Quote from: TimFox on February 02, 2023, 02:53:32 am ---The nice thing about real electrons is that those bound in atoms and those flying through space in an x-ray tube all have the same mass, etc.
Also, real photons, which have zero rest mass, are condemned to fly always at the speed of light in vacuo.
--- End quote ---
Mass is difficult.
The free photon is the fundamental particle, & it annihilates aether, therefore it has mass (& momentum, & energy).
That ELECTONS have the same charge as (free) electrons (& protons, but opposite) is a mystery.
I don’t think that we know for sure that canal ray electrons have the same mass as ELECTONS (praps they do) – if they do then that is a mystery.
I reckon that neutrinos (each being a pair of photons) must have twice the mass of photons – but that would require that every photon has the same mass as every other photon (praps they do)(another mystery).
But i don’t know what to think about rest mass (in general), especially for a photon that is never at rest, a photon is always propagating at the speed of light.
And then we have radio waves (em radiation) – radio waves too must have mass (koz em radiation too annihilates aether)(& em radiation too propagates at the speed of light they say).
But, i already said that em radiation duznt kum in quanta – hence how can em radiation have mass? A continuum (like Einstein's continuums) can't have mass. Or can it. It’s a mystery.
Actually there is no such thing as em radiation. What we have is electric radiation, ie the charge field. And the movement or praps the acceleration of that field manifests as a magnetic field. The charge/electric field is primary.
So, i should have said that the charge field has mass – the magnetic field (a secondary field) is unlikely to contribute any extra mass.
But most of that is theory – until one day when we get empirical info.
Mass is difficult.
Just realized. Photons never propagate at the speed of light in vacuo, koz there is no such thing as vacuo.
Einstein said that light is slower when near mass, & everywhere in our infinite eternal universe is near mass.
Hence c km/s is an ideal that is never attained.
So, strictly speaking it is ok to talk of the speed of light, but it is not ok to invoke c anywhere at any time.
What we need to use is c', which is a little slower than c, when near mass (ie all the time, everywhere).
And, when light is inside say air or water or glass, that there c' bekums c", which is slower than c'.
c & c' & c" are all speeds of light, & c is the impossible speed.
In fact c' & c" are the same thing, the same effect, both are due to being near mass, except that c" is so close that it is actually inside mass (completely surrounded).
And, c & c' & c" are the speed in the aether, ie relative to the aether.
Hence if the observer feels an aetherwind of V then the observer can expect the speed of light to appear to be say c"+ V or c" – V.
And, the above considerations must apply to the speed of radio between antennas.
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What does that word salad mean? Aether was debunked a couple of centuries ago. :palm: :horse:
AVGresponding:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on February 02, 2023, 05:42:56 pm ---What does that word salad mean? Aether was debunked a couple of centuries ago. :palm: :horse:
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It means they're talking utter pants, and not for the first time. Like all the others with similar fantasy ideas, they are incapable of providing any real equations, or experimental method, for illustrating their delusions.
TimFox:
Aether, along with ambrosia, nectar, and ichor, were features of classical mythology (the gods breathed aether, ate ambrosia, drank nectar, and bled ichor).
Actually, the usefulness of aether ("luminiferous aether") in physics was discarded just before WW I, slightly more than one century ago, with Einstein's special relativity (among other developments).
(I've been re-reading the long series of novels by Simenon about Inspector Maigret in the new translations published by Penguin: before WW II, many young louts and ne'er-do-wells breathed ether (a different substance) for intoxication.
This vice led to the successful use of ether in anesthesia.)
aetherist:
--- Quote from: AVGresponding on February 02, 2023, 05:53:50 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on February 02, 2023, 05:42:56 pm ---What does that word salad mean? Aether was debunked a couple of centuries ago. :palm: :horse:
--- End quote ---
It means they're talking utter pants, and not for the first time. Like all the others with similar fantasy ideas, they are incapable of providing any real equations, or experimental method, for illustrating their delusions.
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VV Demjanov in 1968-72 used a twin media version of the traditional MMX & found that the horizontal component of the aetherwind at Obninsk had a speed of 140 km/s to 480 km/s on June 22. Demjanov since about 2005 wrote about 10 papers in English re his MMX & other things. His MMX was 1000 times as sensitive as the oldenday's MMXs, & his error bars are too small to show (about 1 km/s i think). One could argue about the correctness of his calibration, but anyhow his results kill STR. His results are compatible with the well known aetherwind that blows south to north throo Earth at 500 km/s about 20 deg off Earth's axis, RA 4.5 hr.
The aetherwind must affect lots of things (everything actually), eg the speed of electricity along a transmission line (antenna), & the speed of radio (throo the air between antennas).
However, in most cases the aetherwind can be ignored unless dealing with things that are separated by a large distance or time.
Prof Reg Cahill is/was an expert on MMXs – he has lots of papers – but he calls aether "quantum foam" or "dynamic space".
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