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How long do you think semiconductor shortage will continue?
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Cyberdragon:
It's not just semiconductors, it's passives too. Went to get an HV resistor and the whole company store was disabled due to lack of inventory, and this was from Nicrom.
tszaboo:

--- Quote from: thm_w on September 15, 2021, 10:03:52 pm ---
So society will collapse because people can't buy new cars for a few years? Most people don't even need them in the first place.

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No, it will collapse when some of the creature comforts will be taken away, then politicians will start finger pointing (doesn't matter to whom), and repeat the 20 century again, just with equipped with nukes.
Did you know, that it was almost impossible to buy eggs when the outbreak started? There are apparently 5 companies making those egg carton boxes in Europe and 3 of them closed down when the lockup started.
Probably we can name hundreds of chemical compounds, that are used everywhere, when even a small shortage would put verything upside down. Imagine not having enough PET. Or Diesel. And the issue is not that you cannot drive your diesel SUV and drink Cola. The issue is if the farmer who makes all the food that you eat, cannot buy the PET IBC to store the whatever chemical, or Diesel to drive the tractor.
james_s:

--- Quote from: thm_w on September 15, 2021, 10:03:52 pm ---
--- Quote from: TerraHertz on September 15, 2021, 10:43:14 am ---I'll be the devil's advocate here, and say it may NEVER recover.

Something between 30% to 70% of the population of Western nations are injected with new mRNA tech that potentially may have severe health downsides over a few years (no one knows, because there were no safety trials.)
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Behold, the conspiracy antivax prepper.

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The thing that has me scratching my head is why possible long term side effects of a vaccine overshadow the possible long term side effects of a virus. Covid-19 is too new to know what effects will be seen in survivors years or decades from now, but the short term side effects are certainly more severe than those of the available vaccines. All of the data I have seen so far very strongly suggests that the vaccines are safe and effective, especially compared to the virus. The virus has a high survival rate, but the vaccine has a survival rate orders of magnitude higher than that.  We have no data that I'm aware of suggesting any kind of long term effects from mRNA vaccines however we have a significant amount of data indicating long term effects such as organ damage from Covid-19. :-//  I suspect it boils down to an emotionally driven belief rather than any real logic.

On the topic of the shortage, I suspect we'll be feeling the ripple effects of it for several years, but I would expect things to mostly go back to normal within a few months of the Covid pandemic subsiding. Something that would quite possibly have happened already if not for the irrational vaccine hesitancy. My parents lived through the Polio epidemic and they remembered everyone lining up to get vaccinated shortly after the vaccine was developed. My mom doesn't recall meeting anyone who refused to get it.
james_s:

--- Quote from: tszaboo on September 15, 2021, 10:35:44 pm ---No, it will collapse when some of the creature comforts will be taken away, then politicians will start finger pointing (doesn't matter to whom), and repeat the 20 century again, just with equipped with nukes.
Did you know, that it was almost impossible to buy eggs when the outbreak started? There are apparently 5 companies making those egg carton boxes in Europe and 3 of them closed down when the lockup started.
Probably we can name hundreds of chemical compounds, that are used everywhere, when even a small shortage would put verything upside down. Imagine not having enough PET. Or Diesel. And the issue is not that you cannot drive your diesel SUV and drink Cola. The issue is if the farmer who makes all the food that you eat, cannot buy the PET IBC to store the whatever chemical, or Diesel to drive the tractor.

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I've bought eggs in a basket before from a local farmer, no cartons required.

While not guaranteed to be available either, a Diesel tractor will run on cooking oil, kerosene, and various other substances. A gasoline tractor (or car) can be run on ethanol, methanol, propane, CNG and other fuels with minimal modification. I remember reading that during WWII it was not uncommon in some regions to run vehicles from a wood gassifier, that's certainly an option I could make use of here. I realize a majority of people are not nearly as resourceful or handy with their hands as I am though.
KE5FX:

--- Quote from: TerraHertz on September 15, 2021, 10:43:14 am --- Something between 30% to 70% of the population of Western nations are injected with new mRNA tech that potentially may have severe health downsides over a few years (no one knows, because there were no safety trials.)

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... and not a sentence too soon, by the looks of it.
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