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| james_s:
--- Quote from: Psi on September 24, 2022, 06:04:26 am ---I think this may differ by country. I suspect employees communicating with the CEO or upper management is just never done in some countries, eg America? In some parts of the world is more normal when you have a serious problem and it's not getting any attention. They welcome occasional emails on important issues employees may have. Of course if you go to the CEO with something stupid or you're a Karren then you face the consequences. --- End quote --- At small companies employees might interact with the CEO in some cases, a few larger companies such as the one I work for I *could* talk to the CEO if I wanted to without any repercussions, but I wouldn't even consider trying to contact the CEO if I worked at a place like Microsoft, Google, etc. It's just not something you do. |
| tggzzz:
--- Quote from: Psi on September 24, 2022, 06:04:26 am --- --- Quote from: nctnico on September 22, 2022, 01:03:15 pm ---Sending a letter to a CEO is counterproductive and results in people having a negative vibe about you. The notion of keeping YOU on board as something that is important to the company should come from other people, not yourself. And even then management can decide to make the company less dependant on a single person. --- End quote --- I think this may differ by country. I suspect employees communicating with the CEO or upper management is just never done in some countries, eg America? In some parts of the world is more normal when you have a serious problem and it's not getting any attention. They welcome occasional emails on important issues employees may have. Of course if you go to the CEO with something stupid or you're a Karren then you face the consequences. --- End quote --- HP pavilion explicitly allowed you to go above your immediate boss. It would be investigated. You could not do it twice. |
| nctnico:
--- Quote from: Psi on September 24, 2022, 06:04:26 am --- --- Quote from: nctnico on September 22, 2022, 01:03:15 pm ---Sending a letter to a CEO is counterproductive and results in people having a negative vibe about you. The notion of keeping YOU on board as something that is important to the company should come from other people, not yourself. And even then management can decide to make the company less dependant on a single person. --- End quote --- I think this may differ by country. I suspect employees communicating with the CEO or upper management is just never done in some countries, eg America? In some parts of the world is more normal when you have a serious problem and it's not getting any attention. They welcome occasional emails on important issues employees may have. Of course if you go to the CEO with something stupid or you're a Karren then you face the consequences. --- End quote --- The latter is precisely the problem in the case of the OP: it is very easy to be perceived as somebody who is just complaining about what -in the end- is a personal problem. There is a difference between raising an issue that can have serious consequences for the business as a whole and an issue between employees. And even if you think there is a major problem ahead, it could actually be part of a business strategy you are simply not aware off. IOW: if you want to raise an issue with a CEO or anyone at upper management, be prepared to present an iron clad case to them. |
| rstofer:
--- Quote from: tggzzz on September 24, 2022, 09:16:44 am --- --- Quote from: Psi on September 24, 2022, 06:04:26 am --- --- Quote from: nctnico on September 22, 2022, 01:03:15 pm ---Sending a letter to a CEO is counterproductive and results in people having a negative vibe about you. The notion of keeping YOU on board as something that is important to the company should come from other people, not yourself. And even then management can decide to make the company less dependant on a single person. --- End quote --- I think this may differ by country. I suspect employees communicating with the CEO or upper management is just never done in some countries, eg America? In some parts of the world is more normal when you have a serious problem and it's not getting any attention. They welcome occasional emails on important issues employees may have. Of course if you go to the CEO with something stupid or you're a Karren then you face the consequences. --- End quote --- HP pavilion explicitly allowed you to go above your immediate boss. It would be investigated. You could not do it twice. --- End quote --- A CEO doesn't have time for petty personnel problems; they should have been resolved by a manager closer to the problem. Then there is the question about whether a CEO wants an email trail about a product deficiency. They may not mind finding out in a 'water cooler' conversation but I doubt they want it written down and subpeonable. |
| tggzzz:
--- Quote from: rstofer on September 24, 2022, 05:37:03 pm --- --- Quote from: tggzzz on September 24, 2022, 09:16:44 am --- --- Quote from: Psi on September 24, 2022, 06:04:26 am --- --- Quote from: nctnico on September 22, 2022, 01:03:15 pm ---Sending a letter to a CEO is counterproductive and results in people having a negative vibe about you. The notion of keeping YOU on board as something that is important to the company should come from other people, not yourself. And even then management can decide to make the company less dependant on a single person. --- End quote --- I think this may differ by country. I suspect employees communicating with the CEO or upper management is just never done in some countries, eg America? In some parts of the world is more normal when you have a serious problem and it's not getting any attention. They welcome occasional emails on important issues employees may have. Of course if you go to the CEO with something stupid or you're a Karren then you face the consequences. --- End quote --- HP pavilion explicitly allowed you to go above your immediate boss. It would be investigated. You could not do it twice. --- End quote --- A CEO doesn't have time for petty personnel problems; they should have been resolved by a manager closer to the problem. Then there is the question about whether a CEO wants an email trail about a product deficiency. They may not mind finding out in a 'water cooler' conversation but I doubt they want it written down and subpeonable. --- End quote --- HP was notably flat. There were only 5 layers between me and CEO. The HP Way ensured that it was almost unthinkable that they would feel the need to go over their boss let alone all the way to CEO. MBWA was a significant contributor to that. I once told a new employee/boss how easy it was to access the CEO. He didnt believe me. After about 6 months the CEO rang him personally :) (The CEO told him he was doing a good job, but was unknowingly causing problems with AT&T,so please stop) |
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