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How to make Arrow to realize my order - any ideas ?
wraper:
--- Quote from: PP7BB on September 29, 2021, 05:45:00 pm ---What is interesting looks like I wont be paying any VAT tax, duty etc. I should, because EU changed law according international shipments and all goods from abroad must have VAT - tax payed by customer. Since I added my work VAT-id, I expect long, nasty, perhaps very expressive talk with company accountant. She doesn't like me at all (and vice-versa, she was behind kicking out our friend from financial department in time of COVID crisis, and false showing to boss whole tech department as full of loafer with sociopathic inclinations, having money for nothing etc.) so I expect everything - even being fired ;-) . Have nothing to battle with her since she is our boss favourite even though she does very little in her department - especially compared to her subordinates.
My hope is that DECA boards are worth this ;-)
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You misunderstand how VAT and DDP (delivery duty paid) works, and how it works for companies in EU. Also nothing changed for them in this regard. What you committed is basically a tax fraud. When VAT registered EU business buys something from other company in other EU country, they do not pay VAT. In this case, you basically purchased the goods from Netherlands division of Arrow, therefore you didn't pay the VAT. When VAT registered business buys goods in the same EU country, or imports from abroad themselves, they pay VAT but then get it reimbursed.
Basically arrow sold you virtual goods from their EU division (which did not have them). Then Arrow exported/imported/cleared customs while actual goods still belonged to them (ownership transferred between their divisions), and only after that ownership was transferred to you, as if you bought them from EU.
Well, it may just pass unnoticed as it's a small sum, or not. It even may appear after several years when tax agency will ask your firm about invoice issued by Arrow, because EU tax agencies share their VAT data. In any case it's more of a problem for Arrow rather than your company. Your company may simply say they don't know anything about that.
PP7BB:
I got my boards yesterday. From 16 to 29 (one day was because i change destination of delivery).
I payed only for goods, delivery was free, I didnt have to pay VAT - wraper answered why:
--- Quote from: wraper ---What you committed is basically a tax fraud.
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Very sad to read this, but It seems to be true.
I thought that I will have to pay VAT at delivery and then give papers to financial department. I did that many times. When I heard that I will not pay anything at delivery I thought papers went online and will be processed by nasty accountant. Nothing like that has happened so I think VAT revenue will be/was processed by Arrow and tax agency in Netherlands.
But one thing I cannot understand. Wraper can You explain?
--- Quote ---When VAT registered EU business buys something from other company in other EU country, they do not pay VAT.
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--- Quote ---In this case, you basically purchased the goods from Netherlands division of Arrow, therefore you didn't pay the VAT.
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--- Quote ---When VAT registered business buys goods in the same EU country, or imports from abroad themselves, they pay VAT but then get it reimbursed
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I was not customer - in fact It was my company since VAT-ID was required. So my company from Poland and Arrow Netherlands were making transaction - we should not pay any VAT - tax since it is transaction between companies in different EU countries. If I understand correctly, VAT - tax was payed and then reimbursed in transaction between Arrow USA and Arrow Netherlands, am I correct?
Whatever answer is true I will be designing some nasty logic this weekend 8) . Think something simpe and relaxing - counter? Is there digital-logic therapy thread " I bought dozens of thousands cell FPGA IC to do 16 bit counter", similar to TEA :-) ?
RoGeorge:
--- Quote from: PP7BB on October 01, 2021, 07:38:48 pm ---I will be designing some nasty logic this weekend 8) . Think something simpe and relaxing - counter? Is there digital-logic therapy thread " I bought dozens of thousands cell FPGA IC to do 16 bit counter", similar to TEA :-) ?
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Not really, but there is a workshop for the DECA board
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/fpga/arrow-deca-max-10-board-for-$37/msg3596885/#msg3596885
Have fun with your new board! :-+
wraper:
--- Quote from: PP7BB on October 01, 2021, 07:38:48 pm ---I was not customer - in fact It was my company since VAT-ID was required. So my company from Poland and Arrow Netherlands were making transaction - we should not pay any VAT - tax since it is transaction between companies in different EU countries. If I understand correctly, VAT - tax was payed and then reimbursed in transaction between Arrow USA and Arrow Netherlands, am I correct?
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If your company is an actual customer, give them the invoice and everything should be fine, no tax fraud happened. The proper way would be to not involve your personal bank account into payment though, and pay from the company directly.
wraper:
--- Quote from: PP7BB on October 01, 2021, 07:38:48 pm ---VAT - tax was payed and then reimbursed in transaction between Arrow USA and Arrow Netherlands, am I correct?
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Generally yes. But some companies may have an exemption and don't need to pay VAT at the border.
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