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| PlainName:
--- Quote ---If I go on amazon.ca and it's listed, than as far as I'm concerned, they're selling it here --- End quote --- So when you click the link on this website that takes you to JLCPCB to order some boards, it's actually Dave that you are buying the boards from and who is responsible to you? When you buy some kit in the buy/sell topic from some Russian with radiation burns, it's actually Dave you're buying from and who is responsible for you killing yourself because the PE is missing? I don't think so :) There is a big difference between Amazon selling you Amazon stuff and Amazon acting as an Ebay (or EEVBlog buy/sell topic) clone. |
| Red Squirrel:
--- Quote from: drussell on November 12, 2020, 07:00:16 am --- --- Quote from: Red Squirrel on November 12, 2020, 06:18:38 am ---If I go on amazon.ca and it's listed, than as far as I'm concerned, they're selling it here. It's not any different than if they set up a physical store here and started to sell it. Why is it that they can sell it, but then if *I* sell it now suddenly it's a problem? There's a big double standard here. --- End quote --- Do you think that buying something off ebay that comes from china means that ebay is selling it? You're forgetting that a huge percentage of items available through Amazon are from third party sellers located all across the world, sold through Amazon's "Marketplace". Marketplace is the latest fad, everyone wants to include sales of everything from everywhere so they can tack on their margins as middleman. Even Digikey is setting up for these marketplace shenanigans, likely to their own detriment. --- End quote --- That's a bit different, Ebay is not a retailer. Amazon is. And yeah I hate this marketplace thing, I guess that does create a gray area. As a buyer you don't really know where stuff comes from anymore. If I go to Walmart and buy something made in China, it's still Walmart selling it even though they bought it from China. At least that's how I see it. It seems to me the way they have the law setup puts China at a huge advantage since they don't need to abide by our laws and the responsibility falls on us. But if we want to sell stuff ourselves then the responsibility still falls on us and not the buyer. It's a double standard if you ask me. These laws need to be changed so it's fair for locals who want to manufacture stuff so that everyone is on an even playing field. |
| drussell:
--- Quote from: Red Squirrel on November 12, 2020, 07:56:38 am ---That's a bit different, Ebay is not a retailer. Amazon is. And yeah I hate this marketplace thing, I guess that does create a gray area. As a buyer you don't really know where stuff comes from anymore. --- End quote --- Amazon is also a retailer, but they're also now an eBay clone, acting as middleman, connecting you with a million other retailers through their portal. --- Quote ---If I go to Walmart and buy something made in China, it's still Walmart selling it even though they bought it from China. At least that's how I see it. --- End quote --- Sure, if you go to the physical store. If you shop Walmart online, they have both products sold by Walmart as well as products from their marketplace just like Amazon does. You can buy things via Walmart's web site that are not actually sold by Walmart at all. --- Quote ---It seems to me the way they have the law setup puts China at a huge advantage since they don't need to abide by our laws and the responsibility falls on us. But if we want to sell stuff ourselves then the responsibility still falls on us and not the buyer. It's a double standard if you ask me. These laws need to be changed so it's fair for locals who want to manufacture stuff so that everyone is on an even playing field. --- End quote --- You're free to build something dodgy here and try to sell it to some sucker in China, it's just that the economics of attempting to do that aren't likely to be favorable. ;) |
| VK3DRB:
We in the West need to wake up. We should not put up with dangerous goods entering our countries, but we do. If I sell something dangerous and someone dies, I could go to jail. There are clearly two sets of laws - one set for the rich and powerful, another for the rest of us. If eBay or Amazon sell something that kills someone or is clearly dangerous or fraudulent, I can guarantee you none of their staff or CEOs will face charges. We have bank in Australia called Westpac that has been fined for supporting the activities of paedophiles, terrorists and organised criminals. They got a fine of $1.3 BILLION, but not one of their executives or the CEO went to jail over allowing such activities to go on for years. We had a woman who ran a theme park in Queensland leave with a $700K severance pay after the theme park she was running kill four innocent people on a ride due to a gross lack of safety, procedures, records and training. I cannot understand why she was not charged with manslaughter of the four people. If I sold a car with faulty brakes, and it killed four people, I will be jailed. We need to make the executives of companies which allow dangerous or fraudulent products to be sold PERSONALLY accountable, as well as the company. Now the Chinese Communist Party is banning many Australian goods being imported into China, spreading rumours and lies that our goods are infested with some parasite, disease or other trumped up excuse, when everyone knows it is a political attack on Australia by the CCP. The West should at least start banning entire product types coming out of China that do not meet safety or EMC standards. They will soon get a clear message as they lose a large chunk of their exports. At least our bans will be based on protecting our citizens and not on trumped up bullshit. |
| PlainName:
--- Quote ---They got a fine of $1.3 BILLION, but not one of their executives or the CEO went to jail over allowing such activities to go on for years. --- End quote --- That's because it was the company that did bad. The whole point of having a limited company is that it's the entity that gets the stick if it does wrong, just as it's the company that reaps the rewards when it does right. If the CEO caused the company to lose a billion or two, the company might think it needs a better CEO and give that one the boot, but it's an internal matter. OTOH, there are some things where a specific real person is liable, typically when self-certifying for the CE mark. |
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