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How to tag someone in a post?
Nominal Animal:
--- Quote from: PlainName on February 29, 2024, 07:54:28 pm ---
--- Quote ---I don't see why anyone would complain if they can switch notifications about being tagged off.
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Ah, glasshopper, you must be new here :)
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If you're even tiny bit referring to anyone like me, you're wrong. I explicitly mentioned that my worries would fully covered if members could switch mention notifications off (so no unchecked notification count next to the Profile button; the list under Profile>Mentions should stay, as some do find it useful, and it is unobtrusive enough there).
(Well, I did also suggest moderators would make a post about it then, telling how it works, and how members could disable the notifications if it annoys them, and perhaps tell new users that trying to rope in members to answer their homework questions is Not Okay. But that's about proactive community management, not about the feature itself.)
But, if you were referring to the fact that in any forum, there is always at least one person complaining about any single thing you might choose, even if it was free pizza (pineapple? Eww!), then I say Ha, true.
PlainName:
--- Quote ---But, if you were referring to the fact that in any forum, there is always at least one person complaining about any single thing
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Yes, more that than the other.
Nominal Animal:
--- Quote from: T3sl4co1l on February 29, 2024, 10:05:41 pm ---Right, like I said, it's like a PM. So we're in agreement about that?
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It should be like a PM, so each member can control whether they want to deal with it or not, yes.
Specifically, Profile>Account settings>Modify Profile:Personal Messaging, Receive personal messages from: allows one to select Administrators only, in which case other members won't bother you with PMs. In the same view, one can even enable or disable the popup notification.
If you allow personal messages from all members but disable the popup, then unchecked Mentions count and unread PM counts appear in the same way on every page; the former next to Profile button, the latter next to My Messages button.
The difference is that one cannot disable the Mentions at all, like one can limit PMs from admins only.
Yet, Mentions are unlike a PM, because there is no context. It is a hand-wave from one member to another. The Profile>Mentions page contains a list, where the post where the mention appeared to, and the user making the mention are listed. You cannot clear this list, nor edit it in any way, so in that sense they behave like Thanks (Profile, Profile Info > Show Posts > Thanked posts).
Considering the prominent position (an entire button on every page) it seems that Mentions are as important as Private Messages, except that like Thanks, they're completely out of control of the mentioned member. In other words, as it stands, members are pushed to act on Mentions by the forum tools, as if they were as important as private messages, but completely out of user control like thanks.
--- Quote from: T3sl4co1l on February 29, 2024, 10:05:41 pm ---You've pulled this one out of context -- it's in the same paragraph as social function; I'm talking about social function.
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Apologies for that; mea culpa.
--- Quote from: T3sl4co1l on February 29, 2024, 10:05:41 pm ---You left out the unread message count, which is also shown on every page (or maybe that's assumed or implicit). So it's working as intended? It draws attention.
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But each member can disable private messages, so that only site admins can send them.
--- Quote from: T3sl4co1l on February 29, 2024, 10:05:41 pm ---How else would you suggest to design a feature, where the purpose is to attract ones' attention in response to a prompt?
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Do you want to be prompted and enticed/"forced" to react to the equivalent of a hand-wave across a crowd?
I would let the members choose whether they want to see the enticement/prompt or not. Just like I normally react to such come-hither hand-waving by simply waving back and doing something else. If they want me, they can get me and tell me what it is about (i.e. send a PM).
It would be even better if that choice was a drop-down selection with a checkbox like PMs have: for those who feel mentions are important, they could get the same popup as for PMs if the checkbox is filled; and the drop-down selection having 'Mentions button', 'No mentions button', 'Mentioned list only under Profile > Show pages ..'.
--- Quote from: T3sl4co1l on February 29, 2024, 10:05:41 pm ---Having a selection of options, so that the end user can tune it to their preference (or disable it entirely if they wish to permanently ignore it*), makes perfect sense.
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Exactly.
I think that in the mean time, the feature should be disabled so it won't become a problem. But that is debatable, and others have said to leave it as it is.
The danger with leaving it as it is is that it can suddenly become a problem, annoying members and taxing moderators, and that the user tuning options will never be implemented.
--- Quote from: T3sl4co1l on February 29, 2024, 10:05:41 pm ---But I don't see how we've gotten into 6+ pages drenched with psychology only to say "the plugin is undercooked and needs [these usability features]".
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Easy to say in hindsight, but yes, that is the entire issue here.
--- Quote from: T3sl4co1l on February 29, 2024, 10:05:41 pm ---
--- Quote ---A rough equivalent would be for other members to be able to push their posts to specific members, so that in their board views, they'd have a list of messages "recommended" by others for that member specifically to read.
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That's a good idea. A sort of "pinned for you" section, but don't call it that because that implies something very different, but anyway, either they decay (drop off) over time, or disappear as you click them (which, I guess is the current behavior too, just from a different page? It's been so long since I've been tagged I don't even know how it decrements).
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You evil, evil person! >:D It is a horrible idea. :rant:
Pushing stuff onto others is not a good way to discuss. I for one would leave; that kind of pushy attention-seeking I cannot stomach.
--- Quote from: T3sl4co1l on February 29, 2024, 10:05:41 pm ---waved/shouted someone else in without including direct verbal context because they're involved in the same project too, and I know this, and that's why I'm inviting their opinion on it
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Right-o. Have you noticed it is easier to do in front of a display or paper diagrams/schematics? Or by lifting your coffee/tea/soda? Context matters.
There is no such context on a widely-ranging discussion board like this. You don't know what the target person is doing here.
Perhaps it would be more accurate to describe a Mention notification as leaving a post-it-note on a colleagues/friends/cow-orkers door/desk/display telling them to go and read the comic pinned to the break room wall.
(Almost three decades ago, I was an IT support person for a while. The "best" bug report I ever got was a post-it note on my door stating "One of the classroom computers is broken. Please fix." I never found which computer it referred to, as they all worked just fine when I checked them. Every single one. It was pretty frustrating.)
--- Quote from: T3sl4co1l on February 29, 2024, 10:05:41 pm ---It could also be Finnish customs are more formal or polite.
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Not formal – we call everybody by their first name everywhere except in the military where we use last names only (or rank and last name, if formal); and nobody uses titles or honorifics at all – but very careful to not intrude on others. See this Youtube video for an example of a Black Friday sales rush when the shops open. But it is quite possible, yes.
T3sl4co1l:
--- Quote from: tggzzz on February 29, 2024, 10:41:05 pm ---
--- Quote from: T3sl4co1l on February 29, 2024, 10:05:41 pm ---...
Anyway, back to mentions -- in this case, it's a link to a post;
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Er no. A mention is a link to a person, not to a post.
Explicit links to posts (and parts of posts) is normal and good.
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Are we seeing the same thing? ...Do you have a different template/style set or something and it doesn't adapt properly? Something like that? Surely I can't be the only one with a working(?) list.
The link goes to the post containing the mention,
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/emc-test-with-480mhz-peak/msg4981984/#msg4981984
The username is also a link, going to the profile.
If it's really not working right then that's quite worrying... besides the lack of user preferences.
--- Quote ---You are someone who writes more interesting, sensible, and helpful posts than many on this forum. Hence you would be more likely to be the "target" of mentions than many people.
I would expect that "Hey, guru. Gimme an answer" and "Hey friend. I saw this and thought of you" and "Please think about this" would become tedious after a (short?) while.
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I don't mind answering questions, indeed I go out of my way to answer things at times. That said, it seems people are more considerate than you expect; or I'm less well known than you think. I probably get a message every couple of weeks, and maybe... half?! the time it's new users versus someone from a thread I posted in.
Tim
tggzzz:
--- Quote from: T3sl4co1l on March 01, 2024, 03:59:34 am ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on February 29, 2024, 10:41:05 pm ---
--- Quote from: T3sl4co1l on February 29, 2024, 10:05:41 pm ---...
Anyway, back to mentions -- in this case, it's a link to a post;
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Er no. A mention is a link to a person, not to a post.
Explicit links to posts (and parts of posts) is normal and good.
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Are we seeing the same thing? ...Do you have a different template/style set or something and it doesn't adapt properly? Something like that? Surely I can't be the only one with a working(?) list.
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The link goes to the post containing the mention,
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/emc-test-with-480mhz-peak/msg4981984/#msg4981984
The username is also a link, going to the profile.
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The mention is of the form "@T3sl4co1l" followed by nothing. Focus is on a person.
A link to a post is of the form "Quote from: T3sl4co1l on Today at 11:05:41 am" followed by the post. Focus on the information.
--- Quote ---If it's really not working right then that's quite worrying... besides the lack of user preferences.
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It works as designed, which IMHO is not right :)
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--- Quote ---You are someone who writes more interesting, sensible, and helpful posts than many on this forum. Hence you would be more likely to be the "target" of mentions than many people.
I would expect that "Hey, guru. Gimme an answer" and "Hey friend. I saw this and thought of you" and "Please think about this" would become tedious after a (short?) while.
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I don't mind answering questions, indeed I go out of my way to answer things at times. That said, it seems people are more considerate than you expect; or I'm less well known than you think. I probably get a message every couple of weeks, and maybe... half?! the time it's new users versus someone from a thread I posted in.
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My posting behaviour is similar to yours. I enjoy helping "random" people to do things they didn't believe they could do, and nudging people away from silly things.
The problem with mentions is that it makes it too easy for unthinking/selfish/etc people to force concentration on people rather than what they are saying. See also Nominal Animal's points. People coming from FarceBook and Twatter will tend to import comms behaviour they use over there. Shudder.
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