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ebastler:

--- Quote from: tggzzz on February 27, 2024, 03:56:51 pm ---
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on February 27, 2024, 02:41:24 pm ---We're here for the underlying logic, reasoning and experience; and not to score personalities or see whose opinion is most popular.
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I do believe the possible downsides –– misuse by newbies, and misuse by trolls who use the mention mechanism to ensure the targets of their snide remarks will see them, hopefully before the moderators have time to react and remove the post –– are vastly greater than any upsides.

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As you say, this isn't social media.

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I think this is a telling example how quoting can also be used in detrimental ways. You took Nominal Animal's very detailed and differentiated post and not only chose to quote just a single snippet which suited you, but also paraphrased it in a distorted, biased way to make your point, literally putting words in Nominal Animal's mouth ("As you say...").

Very bad style in my opinion, and potentially destructive for the discussion. Maybe that dangerous quoting mechanism should be disabled here?  :P

tggzzz:

--- Quote from: soldar on February 27, 2024, 03:59:47 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on February 27, 2024, 08:28:36 am --- I wonder if it's possible to implement this, with the facility for users to opt out, so they can prevent others tagging them?
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I like in other forums where when I log in or open the main page the first thing I see at a glance is (1) unread private messages, (2) tags and (3) quotes. That way I can direct my attention first to these things. They are all there very visible.

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That's what happens on this website.


--- Quote ---I find tags very useful, for example, newbie comes and asks about topic X, he gets an answer or two but someone tags the resident expert on the topic so his attention is called to the thread. Of course he can just ignore the call if he so wishes.

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That would piss me off no end; my attention is worth a lot to me, and I don't like others wasting it. That's why I am finally blocking some time-vampire posters and their threads.

If my attention is requested, then have the courtesy of spending your time telling me my in a PM.

It would be a great shame if too an expert was tagged so many times that they decided not to contribute.

Nominal Animal:

--- Quote from: ebastler on February 27, 2024, 04:20:59 pm ---The notification one gets when being "mentioned" is very unobtrusive.
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To you.  I have already said I find it distracting and annoying, and even described a couple of patterns I could use to annoy others if I was inclined towards trolling.

Are you saying I'm lying?


--- Quote from: ebastler on February 27, 2024, 04:42:30 pm ---[tggzzz] took Nominal Animal's very detailed and differentiated post and not only chose to quote just a single snippet which suited you, but also paraphrased it in a distorted
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Distorted?  No, tggzzz was on point.  You, on the other hand, are putting words in my mouth by claiming tggzzz's response was distorting mine.

The correct response on your behalf would have been to ask me, not claim you know what I mean.


--- Quote from: ebastler on February 27, 2024, 04:42:30 pm ---Very bad style in my opinion
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I'm uncertain.

You see, because tggzzz quoted me, I could easily respond and raise the point; if I disagreed with how I was quoted, I could respond and clarify.

You, however, simply assumed you knew better what was going on in my mind, and assumed your understanding of my post was superior to tggzzz's.
If I wasn't reading carefully, I could even have missed you were describing your understanding of what I wrote as the factual one, which is definitely not okay.  That is exactly why quoting exists, to avoid that situation.

Which one of you is engaging in "very bad style" right now?

More importantly, what kind of an understanding will others reading this thread get from the topic, and our (the three of us) interaction?


In any case, I do find it interesting you do not see any downsides to the mention notification, and even claim it is "unobtrusive" after I explicitly said I find it distracting, and described possible risks to it.  Why do you choose to ignore those points, and simply go on with the discussion as if they were not raised at all?
I consider that social manipulation, but I do not believe for a second you do it on purpose.  I firmly believe you believe you are behaving in a mutually respectful and beneficial way, because this is the accepted behavioural pattern in "neomodern" society, what with its enforced use of gender pronouns, socialist liberalism, and everything right of Stalin being "far right".

It is exactly because I feel you do not do this from malice but only from good intentions, that I am so interested in your responses and assertions here.  If I knew why, I might be able to formulate my points clearer (and hopefully shorter!), you see.

As to emotions, I am feeling zero animosity toward anyone wrt. this topic, and only find it interesting and worthwhile to discuss.  It is these small things that change the nature of communities, without anyone actually intending to do so.  (Just consider my reasons for not participating at StackOverflow/StackExchange, even though I'm kinda-sorta addicted to problem-solving.)  It might look like a tiny, insignificant thing now; yes.

The only thing I am annoyed about is that this does look like a situation I've been in too many times: trying to explain a risk and a danger scenario of a feature/behaviour others see as neat/new/interesting, only to have my argument completely ignored.  After it goes tits up, several times roughly along the same lines I described, they dare claim to my face that "nobody sane could have predicted it", as if I was by definition "not sane".

The best option here would be to disable the notifications for everyone, until SMF provides the option for each member to disable the notifications from mentions.  I've already described a couple of highly negative behavioural patterns it enables, so anyone pooh-poohing this "worry" really needs to explain why they believe an easy tool for trolling would not be used for trolling, against all the proof across every online forum and online social media.

tggzzz:

--- Quote from: ebastler on February 27, 2024, 04:42:30 pm ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on February 27, 2024, 03:56:51 pm ---
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on February 27, 2024, 02:41:24 pm ---We're here for the underlying logic, reasoning and experience; and not to score personalities or see whose opinion is most popular.
...
I do believe the possible downsides –– misuse by newbies, and misuse by trolls who use the mention mechanism to ensure the targets of their snide remarks will see them, hopefully before the moderators have time to react and remove the post –– are vastly greater than any upsides.

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As you say, this isn't social media.

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I think this is a telling example how quoting can also be used in detrimental ways. You took Nominal Animal's very detailed and differentiated post and not only chose to quote just a single snippet which suited you, but also paraphrased it in a distorted, biased way to make your point, literally putting words in Nominal Animal's mouth ("As you say...").

Very bad style in my opinion, and potentially destructive for the discussion. Maybe that dangerous quoting mechanism should be disabled here?  :P

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I dispute that

I only wished to emphasis my agreement with the part of the post that I quoted, and I paraphrased nothing. The link is there for anybody to unambiguously (unlike mentioning) locate his full message in more detail.

If NominalAnimal thinks I have misrepresented his view, he is free to indicate that.
EDIT: i see NominalAnimal has already addressed your claim, debunked it, and made correct relevant points about it :)

If you seriously believe quoting is bad, then stackexchange and edaboard should be more to your liking :)

tggzzz:

--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on February 27, 2024, 05:23:09 pm ---The only thing I am annoyed about is that this does look like a situation I've been in too many times: trying to explain a risk and a danger scenario of a feature/behaviour others see as neat/new/interesting, only to have my argument completely ignored.  After it goes tits up, several times roughly along the same lines I described, they dare claim to my face that "nobody sane could have predicted it", as if I was by definition "not sane".

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Yeah, I've been through that too. Bloody annoying.

If ebastler hasn't already experienced it in one form or another, I would be surprised.

Interesting, but unsurprising, to see that you have the same opinion of stackexchange as I do. IMNSHO good for answering questions like "which button do I press to squirdle the floogle", crap for subtle conversations.

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