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How to tag someone in a post?
PlainName:
--- Quote from: tggzzz on February 27, 2024, 05:25:13 pm ---
--- Quote from: ebastler on February 27, 2024, 04:42:30 pm ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on February 27, 2024, 03:56:51 pm ---
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on February 27, 2024, 02:41:24 pm ---We're here for the underlying logic, reasoning and experience; and not to score personalities or see whose opinion is most popular.
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I do believe the possible downsides –– misuse by newbies, and misuse by trolls who use the mention mechanism to ensure the targets of their snide remarks will see them, hopefully before the moderators have time to react and remove the post –– are vastly greater than any upsides.
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As you say, this isn't social media.
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I think this is a telling example how quoting can also be used in detrimental ways. You took Nominal Animal's very detailed and differentiated post and not only chose to quote just a single snippet which suited you, but also paraphrased it in a distorted, biased way to make your point, literally putting words in Nominal Animal's mouth ("As you say...").
Very bad style in my opinion, and potentially destructive for the discussion. Maybe that dangerous quoting mechanism should be disabled here? :P
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I dispute that
I only wished to emphasis my agreement with the part of the post that I quoted, and I paraphrased nothing. The link is there for anybody to unambiguously (unlike mentioning) locate his full message in more detail.
If NominalAnimal thinks I have misrepresented his view, he is free to indicate that.
EDIT: i see NominalAnimal has already addressed your claim, debunked it, and made correct relevant points about it :)
If you seriously believe quoting is bad, then stackexchange and edaboard should be more to your liking :)
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Oh boy! And this from someone who creates a huge fuss when I pick the specific thing I am commenting on and quote that, leaving out the irrelevant stuff. *Context*, don't forget, and you did indeed leave out a huge amount in that one.
'SOk, I'm not going to keep on at this, but a classic 'do as I say, not as I do' was too hard to pass up 8)
ebastler:
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on February 27, 2024, 05:23:09 pm ---
--- Quote from: ebastler on February 27, 2024, 04:20:59 pm ---The notification one gets when being "mentioned" is very unobtrusive.
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To you. I have already said I find it distracting and annoying
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Where did you write that? I must have missed it. Maybe your posts were too differentiated and detailed.
Anyway, I'll rest my case. I can certainly live without a fully working mention menchanism and wouldn't want other forum members to suffer from one.
Nominal Animal:
--- Quote from: ebastler on February 27, 2024, 06:21:32 pm ---
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on February 27, 2024, 05:23:09 pm ---
--- Quote from: ebastler on February 27, 2024, 04:20:59 pm ---The notification one gets when being "mentioned" is very unobtrusive.
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To you. I have already said I find it distracting and annoying
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Where did you write that? I must have missed it.
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In reply #40, or 16 messages previous to your one:
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on February 27, 2024, 10:19:27 am ---If I could disable the mentions, I would: I find them distracting, clamoring for my attention, when cognitively I don't want to know or react to people talking about me without telling me the context. I do not understand the purpose of mentions, unless it is exactly to affect emotions (involving connectedness and enticing/manipulating others to at least observe the discussion/thread just because they were mentioned), so in my view, they are purely a social "game", and provide no useful function that private messages or forum advanced search do not already do better.
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I am still interested in the reasons for your opinions, because I know the difference is not in any way malicious on either side, and it reveals to me things I do not understand about other people. The opinions themselves don't interest me, but the reasons behind them do, intensively.
I in no way want to cause you to leave the discussion. I can understand that my style is confrontational and not "professional"/"nice" or even acceptable at times, but underneath all that really is a honest pursuit of understanding.
Also, I admit, I only realized the negative patterns later, after hearing offline that a common way to "troll" others on various sites that allow both upvoting and downvoting is to upvote, wait a while for the recipient to be notified, then change the upvote to a downvote, in the hopes that it will make the target "sad". (I can see psychologically why that works, being based on the ol' fairness thing, with the upvote notification giving the recipient a feeling of appreciation, only to have it turn into a downvote, a :--, giving the double-whammy of a bait-and-switch dopamine kick turned into a "diss". I think it is just low, and don't want to see that pattern emerge here too. In particular, mentioning someone in a disparaging post exactly because it makes it likelier the disparaged member will see the post, even if later moderators delete the post.)
tggzzz:
--- Quote from: PlainName on February 27, 2024, 06:03:38 pm ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on February 27, 2024, 05:25:13 pm ---
--- Quote from: ebastler on February 27, 2024, 04:42:30 pm ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on February 27, 2024, 03:56:51 pm ---
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on February 27, 2024, 02:41:24 pm ---We're here for the underlying logic, reasoning and experience; and not to score personalities or see whose opinion is most popular.
...
I do believe the possible downsides –– misuse by newbies, and misuse by trolls who use the mention mechanism to ensure the targets of their snide remarks will see them, hopefully before the moderators have time to react and remove the post –– are vastly greater than any upsides.
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As you say, this isn't social media.
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I think this is a telling example how quoting can also be used in detrimental ways. You took Nominal Animal's very detailed and differentiated post and not only chose to quote just a single snippet which suited you, but also paraphrased it in a distorted, biased way to make your point, literally putting words in Nominal Animal's mouth ("As you say...").
Very bad style in my opinion, and potentially destructive for the discussion. Maybe that dangerous quoting mechanism should be disabled here? :P
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I dispute that
I only wished to emphasis my agreement with the part of the post that I quoted, and I paraphrased nothing. The link is there for anybody to unambiguously (unlike mentioning) locate his full message in more detail.
If NominalAnimal thinks I have misrepresented his view, he is free to indicate that.
EDIT: i see NominalAnimal has already addressed your claim, debunked it, and made correct relevant points about it :)
If you seriously believe quoting is bad, then stackexchange and edaboard should be more to your liking :)
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Oh boy! And this from someone who creates a huge fuss when I pick the specific thing I am commenting on and quote that, leaving out the irrelevant stuff. *Context*, don't forget, and you did indeed leave out a huge amount in that one.
'SOk, I'm not going to keep on at this, but a classic 'do as I say, not as I do' was too hard to pass up 8)
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My objection to clipping is when it is used to distort the statement, frequently in order to create a strawman argument. I think we can both agree that strawman arguments are A Bad Thing.
You will note that Nominal Animal has already explicitly stated that (1) my comments are "on the point", and (2) taken ebastler to task for his response (see below).
Hence I don't see any basis for what you wrote.
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on February 27, 2024, 05:23:09 pm ---
--- Quote from: ebastler on February 27, 2024, 04:42:30 pm ---[tggzzz] took Nominal Animal's very detailed and differentiated post and not only chose to quote just a single snippet which suited you, but also paraphrased it in a distorted
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Distorted? No, tggzzz was on point. You, on the other hand, are putting words in my mouth by claiming tggzzz's response was distorting mine.
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ebastler:
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on February 27, 2024, 06:35:36 pm ---I in no way want to cause you to leave the discussion. I can understand that my style is confrontational and not "professional"/"nice" or even acceptable at times, but underneath all that really is a honest pursuit of understanding.
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But I will drop out of the discussion here. No bad feelings, nothing personal. But seeing how intense you and tggzzz get about the "mention" concept, I don't need the agitation and aggravation from trying to "defend" it. And, as mentioned before, my feelings in favor of it are not anywhere as strong as your feelings against it.
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