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MK14:

--- Quote from: BravoV on July 16, 2020, 02:48:57 am ---
--- Quote from: MK14 on July 16, 2020, 12:03:45 am ---What I find funny, is "By 2027".
So they can potentially listen in for the next 7 years. Great!  :-DD

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That is clearly business talk and strategy, nothing about political.

As the US's most remote 51th "state", the UK country state of UK is just buying time with that excuse, as once DT is gone, this pressure is gone too.

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That makes sense. The thing doesn't really seem to come into effect, until December 31st 2020 (first deadline, when future purchases are prohibited). I.e. AFTER the November Trump possible second term elections. So if he loses, and the pressure disappears, things could get interesting.



--- Quote from: Monkeh on July 16, 2020, 02:49:41 am ---
--- Quote from: MK14 on July 16, 2020, 01:38:07 am ---It would be interesting, to know the full (secret) picture, with all the juicy details.
China seem to be especially angry about this, which makes me wonder why.
I.e. No smoke without fire, or No big noise, without something bigger to this story, as regards China.

China/Huawei just losing sales of some 5G equipment, shouldn't really bother China that much, I would have thought. Why all the fuss ?

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They've invested a huge amount of effort and money into an attempt to build a monopoly. It's not 'some' we're talking about here, it's supplying infrastructure on a global scale.

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Thanks. I understanding it better now (yours and other posts about it).

So, in reality, this 5G thing is expected to mushroom into a huge business/money making entity, and it is at a relatively early stage in its development. So, China want to muscle in on this massive 5G thing.
Hence, losing early business to the UK, could badly damage their reputation, and mean they lose early market share, and hence the (5G) battle, in the market place.
Simon:
Infrastructure equipment is expensive, bought rarely and extremely expensive to develop given the numbers. I expect every sale is worth fighting for when the numbers are relatively low.
MK14:

--- Quote from: Simon on July 16, 2020, 12:53:27 pm ---Infrastructure equipment is expensive, bought rarely and extremely expensive to develop given the numbers. I expect every sale is worth fighting for when the numbers are relatively low.

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Also, presumably, at some level. It may connect through (directly or indirectly), to the massive mobile/cell phone market place. Potentially allowing Huawei/China to have (more/sooner) advanced knowledge, about upcoming 5G things.
Which could allow them (Huawei) to much more significantly be a major player, in the mobile devices market place.

I.e. They may be able to know 5G things, before Apple/Samsung etc, giving them a significant market place lead/advantage. As these massive technological developments, take time. First to market, is often what makes companies win, over other competitors.
duckduck:

--- Quote from: blueskull on July 16, 2020, 02:12:12 am ---
--- Quote from: Rick Law on July 16, 2020, 01:25:10 am ---You can't have 4 countries sharing national intelligence securely and then have the 5th one relaying such information "in the clear", so to speak.

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and that encryption can be using a custom algorithm, rather than standard AES, making it harder to hack than the infrastructure-level encryption.

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AES is stil secure. Cryptographers fear "custom" and new algorithms since they have not been put to the test. Designing a new algorithm that is both secure and also efficient on common CPUs is fraught with traps for young players. This is like someone claiming to have invented a method of amplifing electrical signals with better fidelity, power efficiency, reliability, and price effctiveness than a modern op-amp. All EEs would be skeptical.
Simon:
Well my understanding is that 5G does not actually do anything to the mobile phones, it's about mast cannectivity so it does not directly impact on making handsets.
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