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| coppercone2:
--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on December 07, 2018, 06:23:46 am --- --- Quote from: coppercone2 on December 07, 2018, 06:19:37 am ---you don't really get a spec from china, more like some shit they photocopied 16 times so you can bearly read it and find out its probably falsified after your 5th email attempt with someone you were doing business with for 4 years already. basically you need to approach them with a much higher level of annoying check the facts mac paranoia then you would most other vendors. --- End quote --- Bullshit. You get what you pay for and apparently most want to pay very little. If you choose to do business with the cheapest, sketchiest outfit you can find you'll invariably get the results you mention. --- End quote --- no way... we were at the point that someone was going to be sent to actually verify if they have a production line at all based on the crap we were getting. sounded too good to be true and I never found the end of it, perhaps to my benefit. I am kinda glad I got away from that shit. based on what we were getting, it appeared they might not have had the equipment they claimed they owned. |
| coppercone2:
--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on December 07, 2018, 06:24:49 am --- --- Quote from: blueskull on December 07, 2018, 06:23:13 am ---Your words have better credibility if you can spell "than" correctly. --- End quote --- Or use basic interpunction, capitals or nuance. --- End quote --- i make wheel |
| Mr. Scram:
--- Quote from: coppercone2 on December 07, 2018, 06:25:55 am ---no way... we were at the point that someone was going to be sent to actually verify if they have a production line at all based on the crap we were getting. sounded too good to be true and I never found the end of it, perhaps to my benefit. I am kinda glad I got away from that shit. based on what we were getting, it appeared they might nave had the equipment they claimed they owned. --- End quote --- That sounds like a fair bit of inexperience with having things manufactured overseas, to be honest. It's customary to visit China to inspect the factory and capabilities, or have an intermediary do this for you. It's also wise to have someone well aware of Chinese culture and business practices on the ground to help you with the process. Only heading out to check out things well into the process suggests inexperience. If you just wave some money at random people from a distance, they're likely to be glad to take it off you. |
| coppercone2:
having to visit to make sure the #1 seller of a well known product that advertises a crazy high end process on their website with no pride and extremely shady documentation is pretty bad if thats the best in the nation, are you supposed to bring protection against kidnapping when you visit #4? not really my problem anymore though ^-^ your not far off though, i called it cyber punk for a reason, its like doing business outside of a bar in a dark street with someone that has spiky pink hair and a leather jacket. maybe a little red book too... but as an engineer i don't want to get involved in that side of things. hire a detective. |
| vk6zgo:
--- Quote from: IconicPCB on December 07, 2018, 05:48:49 am --- --- Quote ---Can't wait for that to happen. I am sick of all the chinese garbage that flooded Canada. The world was a better place before china madness. --- End quote --- I am sure China to is sick and tired of being blamed for Western business men's and women's decisions to order goods of inferior quality and sell it to domestic markets and then "blame" the manufacturer for poor specs. --- End quote --- I'm glad you pointed out that it was the decision of business people. The usual rejoinder is "If the public don't want cheap crap, they wouldn't buy it". In reality, we don't get to make that choice, as even the upmarket brands which are high priced by any standards are also made in China, to similar, & sometimes even inferior standards to the cheapest unknown brands. After going through several name brands of electric kettle which were obviously designed to look pretty, rather than work properly ( they leaked like sieves), we are now using an "el Cheapo" unit which is properly designed & made. That said, when I worked at a place where we had five transmitters made (to what seemed to be, a reasonable spec ) in the PRC, I guess we didn't have the excuse of it being someone else's decision. (I can honestly say that personally, because the order was sent before I started there). On arrival, one "sort of" worked, but not a "peep" out of the others. We sent them back ----Profuse apologies by our contact person at the company (a really nice bloke, who really didn't have a clue what was happening). After another month or so, they came back This time, one worked pretty much as it should have, three "sort of", & one not at all. We decided to try to fix them ourselves, which we did, with very little assistance from the manufacturer. Every time we spoke to them, they had some reason to fob us off, from national holidays to component shortages, to just plain denying we asked them to do something. After trying to have technical conversations with them, we came to the conclusion that the guys who designed the transmitters were from "rent an EE", probably recent graduates with little or no knowledge of RF equipment other than what they could find on the Internet. Once the job was done, they were let go, disappearing into the cloud of young EEs buzzing around in that country. |
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