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| IconicPCB:
Some of the laws US imposes are downright stpid. I order goods from Mouser say...they ask me to sign of on a non resale to certain proscribed countries. They even insist on knowing the application into whihc the part will be inbuilt. Almost enforced industrial espionage,. I purchase the same part locally ...I can do with it what ever i want to no questions ask. |
| Marco:
--- Quote from: raptor1956 on December 09, 2018, 08:12:49 am ---Hey, I'm no fan of Trump and the justification for reimposition of sanctions is also suspect, but the charge is that a Chinese firm sold US goods to Iran in spite of those sanctions. China was within there right to sell Chinese goods to Iran but not US goods. This isn't hard people. --- End quote --- From the point of few of might makes right it's easy. Fom the point of view that first sale doctrine is the morally correct way to trade it's also easy. From the point of view of contract law it completely depends on the treaties China is party to and which contracts Huawei signed. Even then, breach of contract is hardly something I would expect any civilized nation to perform arrest and extradition for. |
| Rick Law:
--- Quote from: Marco on December 09, 2018, 04:59:13 am ---It's bad enough the US makes it a personal liability crime for a foreign national to be part of a company breaking US sanctions ... for Canada to cooperate with that is elevating the value of US laws to ridiculous level, Trump is truly emperor of the western world I guess. --- End quote --- I'm not a lawyer, but I have work in publicly owned company near "fat city" (ie: executive suite) a bit here and there... It is pretty typical in the western world that officers of the company are legally responsible for the action of the company - hence they are officers of the company. It may seem odd at first, but if you think about Bhopal (India) disaster where over 3700 died by actions of a company, you would agree the responsible officers of the company should have some responsibility if the actions were careless or illegal. Typically for a publicly owned company in the USA, officers are corporate VP level minimum - divisional/subsidiary entities' VP would be liable only to the extend of that division/subsidiary. In some instances, it extends down to lower level depending on specific role. For example, you are a grunt working on a buy-out/merger... (you guys are smart here, I don't need to go into the details of how/why there would be legal constrains for one with advance knowledge about pending buy-out/merger). In the case of CFO/CEO regarding financial statements, after one of the collapses, a new law to more clearly spell out the responsibilities was passed. [I don't recollect when the law was passed, could have been Enron, or could have been the 2008 collapse]. Yeah, she is the CFO, so if indeed laws were broken, she could be held liable. It is as yet unclear what exact law she broke because I am reading different things on different news outlets. [Edit:] added the paragraph about Bhopal disaster that was missed when I first clicked save. |
| raptor1956:
And, once again, the very fact that China is playing hardball here should be ringing bells. I mean, if a Chinese national is arrested for some crime it might be reasonable for China to request justification and perhaps, if they feel its unwarranted, log a protest, but for them to jump the shark and threatened both the US and Canada is ringing that bell all the louder. Apparently the investigations began back in 2016, before Trump was president, so the types of violations would seem to have been before the Trump admin reinstated sanctions again. There are nations that are on a prohibited list for a range of products and that goes beyond the sanctions related to there nuclear program. Back in the 80's Toshiba and the Swedish company Konigsborg (sp?) were prosecuted for providing the then USSR machine tools capable of making more silent Submarine propulsion screws (props). So, the aggressiveness that China is engaging in has my bullshit detector going off and I think we're going to learn more before long -- and that is why China wants her back home. Brian |
| coppercone2:
their like Biff in back to the future. What do you expect? |
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