Huge Fire in Louis Rossmann's Building

[tooki]

That's also quoted in reply #17 above...

[orin]

Stuff might have been drowned, but probably smoke damaged first... perhaps putting the insurance company back on the hook.  Worth investigating IMO.

[Brumby]

That's also quoted in reply #17 above...

I need to stop doing three things at once.

[Zucca]

OT:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/louis-rossmans-store-affected-by-fire/

Dave double posting... please calm down the admins so you will not be banned. 

[Towger]

Stuff might have been drowned, but probably smoke damaged first... perhaps putting the insurance company back on the hook.

Exactly, you have to be careful in how the claim is worded.   He should find a competent lose adjuster and let them handle it.  10k in soldering irons would just be the start of the claim.   Redecorating, smoke damage to their other stock, customers equipment and loss of business etc all have to be taken in to account.

[station240]

Louis had a recent livestream, the shop is totally fine, it looks exactly as it was before.
His stockpile of quicks and ultrasonic cleaners in the basement got flooded.

[cpuerror]

Can we crowdfund a huge dumptruck full of rice to go and pour it into his shop to dry it out??? He is a big fan of rice to fix electronics I understand

[Nusa]

The fire was in a Japanese kitchen. Apparently they didn't have enough rice to absorb the water.

It's only his basement storage that got wet. The rest of his shop is fine.

[Bud]

Is the building going to be demolished, can't he lose his place because of that.

[Macbeth]

The fire was in a Japanese kitchen. Apparently they didn't have enough rice to absorb the water.

It's only his basement storage that got wet. The rest of his shop is fine.

I see what you did there... Rice...

[Mr. Scram]

Louis had a recent livestream, the shop is totally fine, it looks exactly as it was before.
His stockpile of quicks and ultrasonic cleaners in the basement got flooded.

Does is just look fine or is it fine? I've seen books that looked decent but had soot between all the pages. It literally gets everywhere. Smoke damage can be vicious.

[Nusa]

Is the building going to be demolished, can't he lose his place because of that.

Nope. Apparently not even the main part of the building that had the fire has to be demolished. It is in good enough shape the tenants were even allowed in to rescue belongings. Note the picture in the story shows Louis's shop open for business next to the boarded up building:

https://patch.com/new-york/east-village/extension-fire-ravaged-first-ave-building-must-be-razed-dob

[Cyberdragon]

The fire was in a Japanese kitchen.

They must have attempted to actually cook instead of just making sushi.*

*joke puproses only and not an actual review or criticism of the restaurant...even if it no longer exists

[HackedFridgeMagnet]

Hopefully all those BGAs got a reflow.

[cdev]

Back in the day (70s and 80s especially) there was a major problem with arson of multifamily buildings in NYC.

Lots of poor people and firefighters, really heroic firefighters who went into burning buildings to save the lives of occupants, ended up burned all over their bodies or dead.

There was a documentary on it, I think its called "The Bronx is Burning".

It was a similar situation to the one in Russia in the 90s involving viatical leases, which I think is what you're maybe referring to?

Somebody decided to speed up the expiration of those leases. Why wait a few years, when a few gallons of gas and a match will do the same in 1 day?

[Cyberdragon]

Wonder if they did the "Batteries Not Included" thing and filled a whole bunch of balloons with gas in the basement and set them off with a molotov.

[Urs42]

There is a german word for that: Warmsanierung (warm renovation)

[amyk]

I found a video of the fire when it began:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/I_t0Tvd4ekU

The flame is unusually clean and consistent, looks like a gas fire to me.

[tooki]

Back in the day (70s and 80s especially) there was a major problem with arson of multifamily buildings in NYC.

Lots of poor people and firefighters, really heroic firefighters who went into burning buildings to save the lives of occupants, ended up burned all over their bodies or dead.

There was a documentary on it, I think its called "The Bronx is Burning".

Yes, it seems your memory is correct, wiki says that was the title of an episode of the BBC series "Man Alive" in 1976. (Youtube was not immediately forthcoming with a copy; all that comes up is the more recent series of the same name about the 1976 world series.)

Anyway, https://nypost.com/2010/05/16/why-the-bronx-burned/ and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipal_disinvestment#New_York_City seem to think that it's urban legend that arson went up, and that in fact it was just the massive reduction in fire services that caused the problems. There seems to be debate on whether building owners minded this or not.

[cdev]

There was a lot of arson. As well as so called 'urban renewal' or slum clearance.


The aftermath looked like photos I have seen of the aftermath of WWII, like Dresden, seriously.




I remember exploring (not burned or otherwise structurally damaged, just condemned!) red tagged buildings during a period in San Francisco when many blocks were in the process of condemnation.  The Fillmore District as it was called.

Where the jazz clubs all were.

Among them were many gorgeous old houses (many were mansions, really) and art deco prewar apartment buildings that were they to have survived to today would be worth tens or even hundreds of millions of dollars.

With all sorts of stylistic art deco touches, exotic woods, marble tile floors.   In SF one could buy beautiful old Victorians for one dollar, on the condition that you had to take it away.

They don't make them like that any more.

What replaced them? Nothing- for more than a decade - in SF the land just remained empty- looking like the post Hiroshima landscape. Eventually (after most of the former residents who had gotten promises of replacement housing) had mostly died, they built just hideously ugly apartment buildings there.

Thats whats there today.

[Mr. Scram]

I found a video of the fire when it began:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/I_t0Tvd4ekU

The flame is unusually clean and consistent, looks like a gas fire to me.

Wouldn't this be the point where you alert the emergency services and start warning occupants? It seems this guy just kicked back and relaxed.

[Nusa]

I found a video of the fire when it began:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/I_t0Tvd4ekU

The flame is unusually clean and consistent, looks like a gas fire to me.

It's someones idea of a joke. The 188 rear extension goes to the property line, is the full width of the lot and ends in a windowless wall. The neighboring properties have a 10 foot stone wall in the rear. No iron see-through fences. I know that from the helicopter video of fire response linked much earlier in the other fire thread, but I bet you can see it on google satellite view as well.

[tooki]

I found a video of the fire when it began:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/I_t0Tvd4ekU

The flame is unusually clean and consistent, looks like a gas fire to me.

Wouldn't this be the point where you alert the emergency services and start warning occupants? It seems this guy just kicked back and relaxed.

Of course, as with a great many “why didn’t the observer do something instead of filming” complaints, you have no way of knowing that they didn’t already do that.

I’ve had to call the fire department for a real fire before. It’s not like an ambulance call where they stay on the line so you can be directed to perform CPR or something. You call, tell them where the fire is, answer a couple of questions, and then you hang up and wait for them to arrive.

[Mr. Scram]

Of course, as with a great many “why didn’t the observer do something instead of filming” complaints, you have no way of knowing that they didn’t already do that.

I’ve had to call the fire department for a real fire before. It’s not like an ambulance call where they stay on the line so you can be directed to perform CPR or something. You call, tell them where the fire is, answer a couple of questions, and then you hang up and wait for them to arrive.

I'm not pointing fingers, I'm just noting that the filming is done in a very relaxed manner. Of course, even after notifying the fire department there could very well be people inside those buildings that need warning. Maybe they were warned, that's possible.

[bloguetronica]

I sound some of the comments n this thread unnecessary and not even amusing. But I guess that it is the issue of the people today: not being human and resorting to make fun of tragedies instead. My two cents.

Kind regards, Samuel Lourenço