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Re: I despise the modern phones and internet
« Reply #150 on: December 29, 2022, 09:07:26 am »
like drinking beer, you think its good.. but its not.

Says who?

I enjoy drinking beer in moderation, it tastes good, it's an enjoyable social activity, there are certainly worse things I could be doing with my time.

Just like with smartphones, moderation is key.

Beer is vastly overrated. Abstinence from it is underrated to a far greater degree. It does nothing to help except addle one’s mind. I used to drink my fair share - nothing good comes from it. I’d rather drink water, orange, milk or coffee.
 
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Re: I despise the modern phones and internet
« Reply #151 on: December 29, 2022, 02:49:22 pm »
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It does nothing to help except addle one’s mind.
it stopped people getting cholera,and kickstarted forensic science
 

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Re: I despise the modern phones and internet
« Reply #152 on: December 29, 2022, 03:39:30 pm »
like drinking beer, you think its good.. but its not.
I enjoy drinking beer in moderation, it tastes good, it's an enjoyable social activity, there are certainly worse things I could be doing with my time.
Just like with smartphones, moderation is key.
not everybody can control it wisely as you did... much like gun (in the hand of police/army vs in the hand of normal/random people).. although its debatable if society can tolerate some random killing, we dont, and we are happy that random killing using gun is almost unheard of around here. i would not like deeper into this off topic... because this is a "choice"... we can always choose any other "X" to drink as enjoyable social activity, but its a tradition choosen by the people before.. continued by people of today... says who? says (i mean "proven" by) google/statistics... "moderation" as you said is quite an optimistic solution in some society groups/classes. around here, i see nothing better out of people who drink beer (90% people i heard will go drunk and bad things happened) it started as "enjoyable social activity", but when somethings went bad, having a bad day, lose job etc, beer is the solution (in the end... not)..
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Re: I despise the modern phones and internet
« Reply #153 on: December 29, 2022, 04:13:34 pm »
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Sometimes it's easy to feel nostalgic about certain tech, but CRTs are actually one thing I don't really miss at all.  I do have a few I keep in storage for old time sake but I would not even want to use them unless I decide to build a retro PC setup for fun or something.   CRT TVs are also good if you want to break out the NES and play duck hunt.
Agreed. As a young I.T. Guy, I ranked monitors only second in the silicon hell of tech torment to 1990s laser printers. The worse lumps were Ilyama monitors which, for some reason of CRT purity, had extra magnetic shielding. The business had dozens of these, all for DTP and Photo-crapping. At least these were 10 kilos lighter than the offerings from IBM, which were used to access the then Mainframe.
I too retain one CRT in the guise of a 14 inch Philips TV for that real Atari console gaming experience. I guess for the young generation it must feel like playing pinball on a real pinball machine?

 

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Re: I despise the modern phones and internet
« Reply #154 on: December 29, 2022, 06:44:35 pm »
I still have and use lots of CRT displays, I've always liked them and still do. We had some Llyama monitors at a place I worked in the early 2000's and they were superb, nicer than anything I had at home until much later. I finally retired the Trinitron monitor from my desktop PC in 2015 because the new PC I built had poor support for analog VGA. I still have a Trinitron XBR TV downstairs that is mostly used with classic console games and a collection of classic arcade machines that are all CRT. There's also a handful of vintage computers with CRT monitors, I find that LCD just looks weird on a vintage machine. CRTs look better to me than LCD, the only thing LCD offers is compact size and perfect geometry, which are big features but if I could have a good quality CRT without the bulk I'd choose it in most applications.
 
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Re: I despise the modern phones and internet
« Reply #155 on: December 30, 2022, 12:23:57 am »
…The worse lumps were Ilyama monitors…
… We had some Llyama monitors at a place I worked in the early 2000's …
That company’s name contains exactly zero “L”s: the name is iiyama, formerly capitalized as Iiyama, but now officially all-lowercase. ;)
 
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Re: I despise the modern phones and internet
« Reply #156 on: December 30, 2022, 01:55:45 am »
That company’s name contains exactly zero “L”s: the name is iiyama, formerly capitalized as Iiyama, but now officially all-lowercase. ;)

That's just too many vowels for my brain to handle in one word.
 
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Re: I despise the modern phones and internet
« Reply #157 on: December 30, 2022, 12:03:20 pm »
Funny that, you could buy budget 'Lyama' monitors in London's Tottenham Court Road. Which for those who know, is the epicenter of discount grey import tech. Spent a fortune in TCR. Also, shout out to the adjacent New Oxford Street and Charing Cross Road. £££££££££
 
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Re: I despise the modern phones and internet
« Reply #158 on: December 30, 2022, 07:49:46 pm »
Funny that, you could buy budget 'Lyama' monitors in London's Tottenham Court Road. Which for those who know, is the epicenter of discount grey import tech. Spent a fortune in TCR. Also, shout out to the adjacent New Oxford Street and Charing Cross Road. £££££££££

I'm not too surprised. I remember seeing some stuff branded 'Solny' somewhere too. Seems like there were a few other Japanese-sounding brands out of China back in the early 2000's.
 

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Re: I despise the modern phones and internet
« Reply #159 on: December 31, 2022, 01:55:55 am »
Next to the Miokey Mouse throw pillows? (I swear I saw that in a Korean market once, unfortunately before cellphones had cameras.)
 

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Re: I despise the modern phones and internet
« Reply #160 on: December 31, 2022, 10:10:26 pm »
I must say I am a little tired of some of the trappings of modern life. Feeling things back yonder were much better than now. But I know it's an age thing.

I remember the old phones and did enjoy them and the modern mobile doesnt make my life better, just different.

I have over the past year or so walked away from most social media due to the aggressive behaviour of people online these days, trolls and jokers have always been an part of the internet but the bile and hate that comes up at times has meant I have struggled mentally to cope, especially as work is always rather stressful due to me being the one person that has to work out all the fun stuff that the sales team says we can do.

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Re: I despise the modern phones and internet
« Reply #161 on: December 31, 2022, 10:58:40 pm »


Says who?

I enjoy drinking beer in moderation, it tastes good, it's an enjoyable social activity, there are certainly worse things I could be doing with my time.

Just like with smartphones, moderation is key.

Phrase of the week.
Exactly, both beer and specially smartphones can both be useful or terrible, even damaging. Moderation is REALLY the key.
 

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Re: I despise the modern phones and internet
« Reply #162 on: December 31, 2022, 11:36:02 pm »
I think that whole “in moderation” attitude is ridiculous. It’s a phone. It’s a tool, not a vice. The things you do ON it may be vices, but there are so many things the devices can do that it’s absurd to condemn the device as a vice.
 
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Re: I despise the modern phones and internet
« Reply #163 on: January 01, 2023, 01:17:32 am »
Everything these days is geared towards giving you that little dopamine hit on shorter and shorter timescales.  It's your own choice whether to use it or not.  Sadly, many people become addicted and don't realise until they've gone past the point at which their level of self control allows them to stop.  It's very much the same as people who get addicted to feeding their pension into a poker machine.

Gotta just put the phone down, or get off the internet, and do something in real life.

 
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Re: I despise the modern phones and internet
« Reply #164 on: January 01, 2023, 05:09:43 am »
Gotta just put the phone down, or get off the internet, and do something in real life.
lucky you during childhood only had the good old nokia brick... the problem today are kids, parents nowadays have to do heavier moderation than ever... if there is still old nokia like brick manufactured today using newer GSM phone line, i think i would like to get them for kids, minus the App Store, the games and shits... or if the is a way to block shits in youtube and chrome in smartphone, only educational materials allowed... too much shits in youtube, internet and social chat media nowadays. i remember back then we call it "ting tong", because thats what arcade games sound like, only available at the shop, we have to go walking and put 20 cents to get 3 rounds game, when we get back home, father is waiting with the "belt", thats the moderation we got back then... when mIRC came later, CGPA started to went down...  :palm: games back then also can enhance our (kids) motor and brain function and coordination, like Pac-Man, Raiden etc (i think thats why i'm "quite" a faster driver than the rest).. games today more shits, you only hit enter button and hero starts doing somersault combo automatically killing beast from 4th dimension look alike and then you get half naked she-warrior prize in return...
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Re: I despise the modern phones and internet
« Reply #165 on: January 01, 2023, 01:33:03 pm »
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Bigoot22, its not just the poor that are suffering but it is a big factor, though I think its more about not feeling like you have enough which isn't helped by the person down the road who posts about his latest expensive item they bought. I do get how it is for you its a right crap game and its very hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel I hope it works out for you and you can get back into it all and start making your life better.

I have an ok paying job but social pressures that I should be more successful, in a relationship with kids, own a house, be healthy etc have put me into a hole. I work harder than I should because I never feel I have done enough, my employer knows this and takes advantage of it. My current thinking is I will burn out at some point so I am trying to earn what I can and save what I can to pass it on to the next generation (Nieces and Nephews).  I am getting to an age where correcting my faults won't happen quickly enough for them to stick and I have traits that just make me the kind of person who isn't as quick as others so I put in more time to make up for it. I know I have a dopamine issue as I rarely take much pleasure in completing a task but it is hard for me to get help as every time I speak to a doctor about issues they go for the easy "have you tried losing some weight".

With regards to FB etc I became aware that I was being manipulated to look at notifications that were not there, lots of red then you look at it and its just "xy posted something" which I had already seen and replied to. If you ignored the app then it would start sending more stuff to bring you back in. So I removed the app, and just log in on the home PC every now and then but last year in a fit of annoyance at the amount of hate on FB, I removed 428 of my FB friends and just kept a few family members (FB would always get all upset if I tried to delete it). Since then I have also walked away from Twitter and Reddit as the same echo chambers of hate exist there as well. This has freed up my phone to just be a phone again and other than using it for news and some web browsing its now back to basics again. Thinking of getting rid of youtube at the moment as that does have a tendency to send me into a loop of just one more video.
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Re: I despise the modern phones and internet
« Reply #166 on: January 01, 2023, 02:39:01 pm »

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Poverty is not a choice. Nobody wants to be poor.
Define poor?According to our governments definition im supposedly living well below the poverty line,but guess what,im much happier and have a better quality of life than i did when i was earning almost double the national average
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Nobody wants to be unemployed
nonsense,almost everybody given the choice would chuck there job instantly as long as there income wasn't affected.
 

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Re: I despise the modern phones and internet
« Reply #167 on: January 01, 2023, 07:09:28 pm »
Poverty is not a choice. Nobody wants to be poor.
Mental Trauma is not a choice. Nobody wants to have that.
Physical disability is not a choice. Nobody wants to have that either.
Unemployment is not a choice. Nobody wants to be unemployed.
Bad education is not a choice. Nobody wants a bad education.
from one perspective it is true, usually when one is born with it.. from another perspective, it is a choice, though usually an indirect one... at one time a person have money and throw it all to gambling, the original intention is to get rich, but in the end.. poverty.. its an (indirect) choice... a fully able person but choosed to do crazy things, bungee jump, cliff climb, dive, or whatever... drive recklessly while selfie or drunk just because its fun, enjoyable and because we can, things went wrong, then they get Physical disability, Mental Trauma, Unemployment etc... its an (indirect) choice... parents send kids to school but choose to not pay attention, always play smartphone, do enjoyable social activities etc, got dropped out or fail in exam.. bad education, Unemployment ... its an (indirect) choice...

the problem with most people, including the many that can afford to pay internet bill to chat in forums, or even with some professional knowledge and skill set... is they only activate their 1st level thinking skill, 2nd and higher level thinking is either sleeping or dead... ok if we do this, its fun.. so lets do it! if later on, something go wrong, after few days later, months or years later... they cant relate or find reason what was happening why bad things happened today... sometime there are long chain and reactions of cause and effect... there are many people came from poor people climb up the ladder become better and better even one step for each generation... and there are people came from the rich/well educated/healthy family ended up in mental trauma, anxiety, desperation etc... its a choice, whether a direct or indirect one, whether we know it or we dont, and sometime the effect will happened to somebody else, other society groups or even family etc.
Nature: Evolution and the Illusion of Randomness (Stephen L. Talbott): Its now indisputable that... organisms “expertise” contextualizes its genome, and its nonsense to say that these powers are under the control of the genome being contextualized - Barbara McClintock
 
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Re: I despise the modern phones and internet
« Reply #168 on: January 01, 2023, 08:02:22 pm »
Poverty is not a choice. Nobody wants to be poor.
Mental Trauma is not a choice. Nobody wants to have that.
Physical disability is not a choice. Nobody wants to have that either.
Unemployment is not a choice. Nobody wants to be unemployed.
Bad education is not a choice. Nobody wants a bad education.

I'd agree with the mental trauma and physical disability part but the rest is not so straightforward. Nobody wants to be poor, however an individual's choices will have a great deal of impact on whether they remain poor or not. Unemployment, again, people can choose the career path they want and they can make choices that greatly increase their odds of being (and staying) employed. I've known quite a few people that don't really want to be employed, I mean almost everyone likes paychecks but many don't want to work or put in the minimum effort. Bad education is absolutely a choice, lots of people don't care about education and don't put in the effort required. Citizens in every developed nation have access to at least 12 years of free schooling and there are other resources out there to obtain additional education that anyone has access to, if they make the choice to use them.

I think far too many people use "I didn't have a choice" as an excuse for not really trying or putting forth any real effort.
 

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Re: I despise the modern phones and internet
« Reply #169 on: January 01, 2023, 08:07:00 pm »
I think that whole “in moderation” attitude is ridiculous. It’s a phone. It’s a tool, not a vice. The things you do ON it may be vices, but there are so many things the devices can do that it’s absurd to condemn the device as a vice.

The phone itself is a tool, but many of the things one can do on it could legitimately be called vices. Social media and many games are engineered to be addictive, there are people that spend every waking moment absorbed in their phone, or rather the apps that are on their phone. It's not the same sort of tool as something like a screwdriver or a wrench, you don't see many people fired from their job, failing out of school or crashing their car because they can't stop playing with one of those.
 
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Re: I despise the modern phones and internet
« Reply #170 on: January 01, 2023, 08:32:49 pm »
I think that whole “in moderation” attitude is ridiculous. It’s a phone. It’s a tool, not a vice. The things you do ON it may be vices, but there are so many things the devices can do that it’s absurd to condemn the device as a vice.

The phone itself is a tool, but many of the things one can do on it could legitimately be called vices.
Uhhhh… yeah, I said that.
 

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« Reply #171 on: January 02, 2023, 07:10:31 pm »
btw i didnt know they still produce it for 4G... https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_au/nokia-225-4g?sku=16QENB21A17 since 2G is going to be phased out, this should be a good candidate esp for kids who cant control the habit... its $50..

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Re: I despise the modern phones and internet
« Reply #172 on: January 03, 2023, 10:09:12 am »
btw i didnt know they still produce it for 4G... https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_au/nokia-225-4g?sku=16QENB21A17 since 2G is going to be phased out, this should be a good candidate esp for kids who cant control the habit... its $50..

I wish people would stop acting as though it was just kids/young folks who are glued to their phones. In my experience, younger people are actually better about putting down their phones, with older adults still reacting to cellphones the way you had to react to a landline (i.e. drop everything and answer).

And yesterday on the tram, I saw an elderly woman playing a game (something where you battle two creatures against each other) — the same game, on two phones at the same time, moving her hand so as to tap each phone with one finger!
 

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Re: I despise the modern phones and internet
« Reply #173 on: January 03, 2023, 10:51:46 am »
btw i didnt know they still produce it for 4G... https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_au/nokia-225-4g?sku=16QENB21A17 since 2G is going to be phased out, this should be a good candidate esp for kids who cant control the habit... its $50..

I wish people would stop acting as though it was just kids/young folks who are glued to their phones. In my experience, younger people are actually better about putting down their phones, with older adults still reacting to cellphones the way you had to react to a landline (i.e. drop everything and answer).

And yesterday on the tram, I saw an elderly woman playing a game (something where you battle two creatures against each other) — the same game, on two phones at the same time, moving her hand so as to tap each phone with one finger!
i'm talking my situation here, esp my 3rd kid in boarding school.. moderating and educating about SP usage wisely to 5 kids is extra work (new tech meant to solve problem, but introduced new problems). i know there are many worse adults out there, i always facepalm in my head when looking at them playing with their SP to kill time. but what can i say? they are adult, they think they are clever enough to take care of themselves, if i give advice, i'm the one who's labelled as stupid and luddite.. so let them kill themselves if they want to... good riddance..
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« Reply #174 on: January 05, 2023, 06:04:04 pm »
... Snip...

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