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I find "programming" a constant distraction from electronics in some "tutorials"
eti:
--- Quote from: blueskull on September 22, 2020, 01:39:27 am ---Why do you just have to rant on everything and do it so often mate?
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Sorry that my curiosity doesn't meet your approval.
eti:
--- Quote from: fourfathom on September 22, 2020, 01:42:57 am ---I think eti was trolling (and I was the first to bite)
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Ah that old chestnut, where a question or topic outside a limited range of expected lines of enquiry, is seen to not "conform" to some arbitrarily decided-upon "format", and so some random person decrees them as "trolling", simply because that's the easiest thing to attribute to someone not behaving in the manner they're used to.
I'm inquisitive, I ask questions that don't always fit your expectations, I expect more of a forum rammed to the rafters with highly intelligent engineering folk than to resort to such lazy, idiotic categorisation.
Okay so YOU think I'm a troll, fine. Leave the thread then.
That's very intelligent indeed, eh. :palm:
This is the kind of binary yes/no dipshit, over-simplified "logic" that the supposed "community" of the internet has brainwashed some people into choosing as a go-to attribution for something that doesn't fit in anywhere they're not expecting l, or aren't suitably humble enough to step back, look at objectively and then try to answer SANS ad-hom.
I suppose I may overestimate people sometimes eh?
Think as you wish of me, it makes not one solitary jot of difference to me :D
You may like to take a few moments to examine this somewhat intelligent look at why "trolling" is vastly overused: https://theweek.com/articles/445615/time-kill-word-troll
fourfathom:
--- Quote from: eti on September 22, 2020, 01:49:39 am ---
--- Quote from: fourfathom on September 22, 2020, 01:42:57 am ---I think eti was trolling (and I was the first to bite)
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Ah that old chestnut, where a question or topic outside a limited range of expected lines of enquiry, is seen to not "conform" to some arbitrarily decided-upon "format", and so some random person decrees them as "trolling", simply because that's the easiest thing to attribute to someone not behaving in the manner they're used to.
I'm inquisitive, I ask questions that don't always fit your expectations, I expect more of a forum rammed to the rafters with highly intelligent engineering folk than to resort to such lazy, idiotic categorisation.
Okay so YOU think I'm a troll, fine. Leave the thread then.
That's very intelligent indeed, eh. :palm:
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OK, so you're not trolling. After a while I was thinking "walks, quacks, etc.", especially after your previous "Clearly... ;D hehe" comment, but I guess not this time. I did give a sincere to your question answer so why don't you cool down?
eti:
--- Quote from: fourfathom on September 22, 2020, 02:01:05 am ---
--- Quote from: eti on September 22, 2020, 01:49:39 am ---
--- Quote from: fourfathom on September 22, 2020, 01:42:57 am ---I think eti was trolling (and I was the first to bite)
--- End quote ---
Ah that old chestnut, where a question or topic outside a limited range of expected lines of enquiry, is seen to not "conform" to some arbitrarily decided-upon "format", and so some random person decrees them as "trolling", simply because that's the easiest thing to attribute to someone not behaving in the manner they're used to.
I'm inquisitive, I ask questions that don't always fit your expectations, I expect more of a forum rammed to the rafters with highly intelligent engineering folk than to resort to such lazy, idiotic categorisation.
Okay so YOU think I'm a troll, fine. Leave the thread then.
That's very intelligent indeed, eh. :palm:
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OK, so you're not trolling. After a while I was thinking "walks, quacks, etc.", especially after your previous "Clearly... ;D hehe" comment, but I guess not this time. I did give a sincere to your question answer so why don't you cool down?
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How are you able to ascertain whether or not I'm calm? ;D I always talk in this precise manner, so as to leave no ambiguity as to my meaning. Yeah it doesn't always work though, hah! ;D
Appreciate your intentions in trying to "calm" me - I'm as tranquil and still as the dead sea :)
vk6zgo:
--- Quote from: eti on September 21, 2020, 05:20:36 pm ---Go to any random internet "tutorial" for some aspect of electronics, and you're almost certainly going to see "Here's my github >>" and/or "... and I've written some code here for..."
Whilst I admit that it's not unreasonable to expect to have to write *some* code once in a while, when your main area of experience or expertise is hardware, and not software, I find it *incredibly* distracting to constantly be led down the "now let's look at the Arduino code for this..." .
Case in point is a function generator I am playing with - the AD9833 module. I want to generate waves, not sift through Arduino code learning syntax and work out what's what in an IDE, debug dodgy UART drivers etc... yeah I get that I can BUY a func gen, but I don't have the funds right now, and this board suffices just nicely. I want to generate ANALOGUE waves for an ANALOGUE circuit, not learn a new paradigm in a different area - it's SO DISTRACTING.
What did people do before Arduino and microcontrollers were the go-to "solution" (lazy solution) for almost EVERY project online, if they wanted to generate waveforms? They'd learn to build **a circuit** using electronics skills, not some random programming language which has nothing whatsoever to do with the circuit!
This is where laziness shows up in our engineering society - no one's willing to invest the time and work in a project (incuding me btw, often) so they tack together a "solution" which makes the project dependant on some microcontroller or board - that DOESN'T teach us electronics fundamentals. I am learning *electronics*, not Arduino. Is there anyone left whom publishes clear tutorials to show one how to make such circuits in a "Mr Carlson's Lab" kinda way (IE, clear, slow and calm) without resorting to uC's?
Thanks.
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This sort of thing has been going on since at least the mid 1980s, when I had to produce a project as part of my "Bridging training " to become a "Techical Officer"(Yesterday, I couldn't spell Teknickle Ossifer--now I are one!)
The requirement was for an audio signal generator, which, if you rang a particular phone number, would connect to a broadcast programme line & generate a standard set of audio tests.
All the (then), "micro processor" enthusiasts said:-"Just use a micro".
Apart from all the peripherals needed in those days, I would have had to learn programming.
The audio quality available from either generating the tone digitally, or using special analog chips was quite poor, so I ended up with a commercially made switched oscillator.
I replaced the mechanical switches with 4066 bilateral switches for frequency steps, & relays for output levels, etc.(the latter done with external attenuators & terminations)
These were all switched via a diode matrix, fed from a couple of 4017 decade counters, clocked by a 555, which, in turn, was triggered by a commercial (actually in-house designed) device to detect the original phone call.
All my stuff worked, but the settling time of the Wien bridge oscillator in the audio generator was too long.
Had I used a "micro", I would probably still been designing it! :phew:
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