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| I have the feeling that the whole trade war starts from a pile of nonsense. |
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| technix:
--- Quote from: apis on May 24, 2019, 06:14:59 pm ---This kind of dishonesty is just one example of how low the US right wing has fallen. It's not going to end well I fear. --- End quote --- This kind of dishonesty drives out investment. There have been cases of dishonesty at local governments of northeastern provinces of China - Liaoning, Jilin and Heilongjiang - driving out even domestic investors, ending up in a warning to all investors in the richer part of the country: 投资不过山海关,旅游不过山海关, you don't invest past Shanhai Pass, you don't travel beyond Shanhai Pass (Shanhai Pass here means the stretch of Great Wall along the northern edge of Hebei Province, just south of the three problematic provinces.) Even though those provinces is in dire need of government reinvestment, without the local government being honest, there is little the central government can do. [source in Chinese] Now similar dishonesty is going on in America. Without an honest government, without an honest workforce, do people dare invest anything in US without the fear of suddenly someone decided to rip apart a signed deal and start gouging you? This is why investors took flight and moved to south China, where the government is efficient and honest, where the workforce is honest and hardworking - maybe a bit too hardworking if 996.icu is to go by. |
| Marco:
--- Quote from: technix on May 24, 2019, 05:15:45 pm ---Where did "innocent until proven guilty" go? --- End quote --- People suspected of a crime are obviously detained before being proven guilty in court all the time, presumption of innocence does not preclude it ... and illegally crossing the border is a crime. |
| apis:
--- Quote from: technix on May 24, 2019, 06:53:06 pm --- --- Quote from: apis on May 24, 2019, 06:14:59 pm ---This kind of dishonesty is just one example of how low the US right wing has fallen. It's not going to end well I fear. --- End quote --- This kind of dishonesty drives out investment. --- End quote --- Corruption and protectionism does indeed hurt the economy. In this particular case they are undermining the free press and the public discussion which is a crucial component in any democracy. That is far more damaging than scaring away investments i believe. |
| thm_w:
--- Quote from: rstofer on May 23, 2019, 10:45:19 pm ---Which is paid for out of the $50B tariff. Who cares? From China's point of view, importing farm goods isn't all that important. The part that's outrageous is that we only sell China about $23B worth of produce. How can farmers possibly lose $16B on $23B worth of business with only a 25% tariff. With Brazil and Argentina picking up the slack in soybeans, American farmers better change crops. They will never again be selling soybeans to China regardless of the trade situation. Now if we could just get China to block almonds. That would really help California! fauxbusiness.com/markets/trump-second-round-farmer-aid-us-china-trade --- End quote --- So now you are realizing something fishy is going on? --- Quote ---According to the Environmental Working Group, in the first round of bailout payments made at the end of October, 68% of the checks went to the top 10% of farm households. Perhaps more concerning, 1,000 of the current recipients didn’t even live on a farm. They are distant big city residents who never drive a tractor and are often absentee farm owners. Forcing American taxpayers to subsidize billionaires is nothing new. Small farms make up 90 percent of all farms, yet in 2016 they only received 27 percent of the commodity payments. They only received 17 percent of crop-insurance protection payments. Since 1995, nearly 75 percent of all farm payments have gone to the richest and largest 10 percent. Farm programs shouldn’t be manipulated to transfer taxpayer money to make millionaires and billionaires richer. Trump’s current farm bailout is a continuation of this travesty. --- End quote --- https://iowastartingline.com/2018/12/05/68-of-trumps-farm-bailout-goes-to-richest-10/ https://seekingalpha.com/article/4162033-u-s-soybean-exports-fungible edit: I agree bigger farm should get more, but there are legal caps in place that are being 'worked around': https://www.ft.com/content/51d4a552-78ce-11e9-be7d-6d846537acab |
| apis:
--- Quote from: blueskull on May 24, 2019, 08:15:39 pm --- --- Quote from: apis on May 24, 2019, 07:50:27 pm --- --- Quote from: technix on May 24, 2019, 06:53:06 pm --- --- Quote from: apis on May 24, 2019, 06:14:59 pm ---This kind of dishonesty is just one example of how low the US right wing has fallen. It's not going to end well I fear. --- End quote --- This kind of dishonesty drives out investment. --- End quote --- Corruption and protectionism does indeed hurt the economy. In this particular case they are undermining the free press and the public discussion which is a crucial component in any democracy. That is far more damaging than scaring away investments i believe. --- End quote --- Chinese government has passed a free Internet speech act in 2017 that made clear that free speech, as long as not suggesting actions (gatherings, riots, attacks, etc.), are allowed. So if you bitch CCP or you make recommendations or whatever, Chinese government can't touch you by law. Whether your BBS/forum provider censors it or not is their freedom, but Chinese government can't mandate it. This is the same as American constitution's first amendment. --- End quote --- I was referring to the US in this case. In a democracy the people need to be well informed and be able to have a good and honest public discussion, or else they will not be able to make a good choice during election (隔山买老牛). For a functioning democracy you need many more components than a free election. For example you need the rule of law, good education system, freedom to organise a new political party and free press/speech (and other things). I think that is why the Arab Spring failed in many countries, you can't simply introduce free elections over night and expect to have a functioning democracy. Sorry, this is totally off topic, just wanted to clarify my previous comment. |
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